I've been told before that I'll get owned if I were to debate here. So I'm putting that theory to the test, hopefully you guys can put up a better debate then the guy who told me to come here. So here it goes.
Sephiroth would win, he's got several, several ways to win. For one, he's shown just as much skill in Advent Children as Kuja showed in Final Fantasy 9. This is supported by the fact that he completely outmatched Cloud in every aspect. You can check the Ultimania Omega Strategy guide for confirmation on that.
I've seen a lot of people saying that Sephiroth had to use Meteor to destroy a planet whereas Kuja did it with an Ultima Spell. I say big whoop. Sephiroth never wanted to destroy gaia, his plan was to damage it enough to create an influx of energy so that he may absorb it and become a God. If he wanted to destroy the planet he more then could have, once again I'm supported by Advent Children. In the movie he said that he wished to "sail the cosmos using this planet as a vessel, as my mother did before me"
Looking back into FF7, Jenova came from the sky on what appeared to be a meteorite, however she actually destroyed the planet she was on and used it as a ship. Sephiroth is more then capable of doing the same.
Sephiroth is also shown to be able to control the body of anything that has Jenova Cells in it, Cloud and Kadaj are two very good examples. Cloud has a minimal amount of J-Cells whereas Kadaj is full of them. Seph easily controlled both of them. He even fully took control of Kadaj's body, going so far as morphing his appearance. (an ability that Jenova itself is shown to have when she took the forms of the dead Cetra and disguised herself as Sephiroth at the beginning of the game)
He was shown in Advent Children to be able to summon forth the corrupted (Negative) lifestream, this lifestream is the planet's energy that has been defiled with Geostigma, which is caused when the body rejects Jenova Cells. The lifestream itself is deadly, proven in the On the Way to a Smile: Case of Denzel story where thousands of people in Midgar were killed on contact. But it holds an even more sinister purpose, it can spread J-Cells. It infects anybody close to it with J-Cells, eventually causing geostigma in the body.
But the important thing is that he can use the Negative Life Stream to infect Kuja with J-Cells, as much as he wants, and then from there he can control Kuja and turn him a Sephiroth Clone or even better he could take full control over Kuja and take over his body like he did Kadaj in Advent Children.
Either way, Sephiroth wins.
So, come on people. I was told that I would get owned here, prove that guy right.
Originally posted by Chaotic
I've been told before that I'll get owned if I were to debate here. So I'm putting that theory to the test, hopefully you guys can put up a better debate then the guy who told me to come here. So here it goes.
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Originally posted by Chaotic
Sephiroth would win, he's got several, several ways to win. For one, he's shown just as much skill in Advent Children as Kuja showed in Final Fantasy 9. This is supported by the fact that he completely outmatched Cloud in every aspect. You can check the Ultimania Omega Strategy guide for confirmation on that.
Sephiroth is very skilled. I agree. In fact in FF7 he is the most skilled character, and that characteristic has been adressed and reconfirmed in every FF7 media. However the fact that Sephiroth is skilled does not automatically give him the win against Kuja, specially when you have stated both are near the same skill level.
Originally posted by Chaotic
I've seen a lot of people saying that Sephiroth had to use Meteor to destroy a planet whereas Kuja did it with an Ultima Spell. I say big whoop. Sephiroth never wanted to destroy gaia, his plan was to damage it enough to create an influx of energy so that he may absorb it and become a God. If he wanted to destroy the planet he more then could have, once again I'm supported by Advent Children. In the movie he said that he wished to "sail the cosmos using this planet as a vessel, as my mother did before me"
It is true that Sephiroth never showed the desire to destroy the planet, but that does not rule out the fact he has yet to prove he can actually pull it off. Besides if he did have the power to destroy/hurt the planet; why did he not just mess the planet up first hand instead of searching for meteor? Specially when he knew Aerith's holy could significantly halt his quest.
Originally posted by Chaotic
Looking back into FF7, Jenova came from the sky on what appeared to be a meteorite, however she actually destroyed the planet she was on and used it as a ship. Sephiroth is more then capable of doing the same.
I do not really know if she actually used a destroyed planet as a ship--although in all probabilty she did. Sephiroth has never shown to be capable of destroying a planet. If Jenova managed to pull it off is irrelevant because we're not discussing Jenova here. Once again: he might be able to do it, but he has failed to prove he can. Something Kuja did with relative ease in his trance state.
Originally posted by Chaotic
Sephiroth is also shown to be able to control the body of anything that has Jenova Cells in it, Cloud and Kadaj are two very good examples. Cloud has a minimal amount of J-Cells whereas Kadaj is full of them. Seph easily controlled both of them. He even fully took control of Kadaj's body, going so far as morphing his appearance. (an ability that Jenova itself is shown to have when she took the forms of the dead Cetra and disguised herself as Sephiroth at the beginning of the game)
And how does that equate to him beating Kuja? This is Sephiroth vs. Kuja. Not Sephiroth + mind controlled Cloud & Kadaj vs. Kuja. Even if Sephiroth was able to use these 2 as meatshields they will not be able to stand up to Kuja. They would be as much of a nuissance to Kuja as a fly is to human beings.
Originally posted by Chaotic
He was shown in Advent Children to be able to summon forth the corrupted (Negative) lifestream, this lifestream is the planet's energy that has been defiled with Geostigma, which is caused when the body rejects Jenova Cells. The lifestream itself is deadly, proven in the On the Way to a Smile: Case of Denzel story where thousands of people in Midgar were killed on contact. But it holds an even more sinister purpose, it can spread J-Cells. It infects anybody close to it with J-Cells, eventually causing geostigma in the body.
I know all about the negative lifestream. However it doesn't really compare to Kuja's raw power as shown when Trance Kuja destroyed Terra. Sephiroth would be able to destroy all life in the planet with the negative lifestream, but the planet itself would not be destroyed. What I'm trying to point out is that compared to Trance Kuja's feat the negative lifestream is lackluster. It would be like killing someone by injecting him with a deadly virus(n-lifestream) and killing someone by punching him until he explodes(terra). Although both ways are legit IMO. On a side note I doubt the N-lifestream would affect Kuja considering he is not human, nor is he from the same planet.
Originally posted by Chaotic
But the important thing is that he can use the Negative Life Stream to infect Kuja with J-Cells, as much as he wants, and then from there he can control Kuja and turn him a Sephiroth Clone or even better he could take full control over Kuja and take over his body like he did Kadaj in Advent Children.
I doubt the N-lifestream would affect Kuja considering he is not human, nor is he from the same planet. Also Kuja is strong willed. Even if he did actually manage to get J-cells inside him he would not be able to control him. Sephiroth could not control Cloud after Cloud came to his senses before the end of the 2nd FF7 disc.
Originally posted by Chaotic
Either way, Sephiroth wins.
The problem with your ways for Sephiroth winning is that they assume Trance Kuja is just standing there while Sephiroth does all the magic. When Kuja is not stupid, he is actually a genius, and he would not give Sephiroth that opportunity. Sephiroth has yet to prove he can survive Trance Kuja's planet busting capabilities as well.
Originally posted by Chaotic
So, come on people. I was told that I would get owned here, prove that guy right.
All in due time.
Originally posted by Xenogears
Well these points have pretty much been refuted before on another site. Why he constantly uses them in his arguments is beyond me. Oh, and he has officially stated that he's an FF7 fanboy 😂
Nothing wrong with being a fanboy unless you thread that thin line between good and evil...and then trip and fall to darkness...
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Seriously, how the f*ck did Zidane, Garnet, gay eyelash Steiner, fatass Quina, emo midget Vivi, Eiko, and Amarant beat Trance Kuja!?
Well Kuja wasn't acting like his normal self. I'm pretty sure that Zidane who Garland mentions is almost stronger if not stronger (don't remember) then normal Kuja so by logic Trance Zidane > Trance Kuja.