Originally posted by Violent2Dope
So then where are his world busting powers? Oh and I'm not sure that's true he said sumthin like Zidane will replace Kuja cause Kuja doesn't have long to live because he was made to have a set life span.
First and foremost he did not want to destroy it. Secondly Zidane didn't even know he was a Gnome until 3/4 the game. It's also possible he never reached his full potential until he fought the final boss. I do remember Zidane being called more powerful than Kuja, but it's also true Kuja was going to get replaced by Zidane. That is why a jelous Kuja abandoned Zidane in Gaia.
==Before fighting Kuja and Garland==
Zidane: You mean you won't need Kuja's soul once I grow stronger than
him?
Garland: Precisely... Soon, that time will come.
==After defeating Kuja==
Kuja: Yes! This is the power I've longed for!!! The mighty power of
souls! They assault any threat that tries to destroy them!
Zidane: Wh-What do you mean...?
Kuja: It's Trance! You know how it works. But a normal Trance won't be
enough to defeat you... You're all as resilient as oglops.
==A little further after Kuja kills Garland==
Garland's Spirit: There's a limit on your life... You'll be dead soon...
Even as I die, you'll have died without ever leaving your mark on the
world...
Originally posted by ESB -1138Thank you.🙂
==Before fighting Kuja and Garland==
Zidane: You mean you won't need Kuja's soul once I grow stronger than
him?Garland: Precisely... Soon, that time will come.
==After defeating Kuja==
Kuja: Yes! This is the power I've longed for!!! The mighty power of
souls! They assault any threat that tries to destroy them!Zidane: Wh-What do you mean...?
Kuja: It's Trance! You know how it works. But a normal Trance won't be
enough to defeat you... You're all as resilient as oglops.==A little further after Kuja kills Garland==
Garland's Spirit: There's a limit on your life... You'll be dead soon...
Even as I die, you'll have died without ever leaving your mark on the
world...
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Sephiroth is very skilled. I agree. In fact in FF7 he is the most skilled character, and that characteristic has been adressed and reconfirmed in every FF7 media. However the fact that Sephiroth is skilled does not automatically give him the win against Kuja, specially when you have stated both are near the same skill level.
Allow me to correct you, I said he's shown just as much skill in Advent Children as Kuja showed in Final Fantasy 9. Which is true, and you don't seem to disagree... although after this you probably will. What Sephiroth showed in Advent Children was nowhere near his full potential. Once again, my statement is backed up by official literature from the creators of the game.
It's said that Cloud was outmatched when it came to the fight with Sephiroth.
Sorry everybody who thinks that Cloud was almost on par with him: he wasn't.
Even worse for Cloud, Nomura said that Sephiroth didn't sweat during the
entire fight and never exerted himself. In other words, he wasn't even trying
hard. Cloud on the other hand was clearly giving it his all and was described
by the book as exhausted by the time the battle was nearing its conclusion.
That and more can be found in the Translations of the Ultimania Omega Strategy Guide.
*apparently I can't post a link so you'll have type "Ultimania Omega FAQ" into google and go to the first result to see the source material.*
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
It is true that Sephiroth never showed the desire to destroy the planet, but that does not rule out the fact he has yet to prove he can actually pull it off. Besides if he did have the power to destroy/hurt the planet; why did he not just mess the planet up first hand instead of searching for meteor? Specially when he knew Aerith's holy could significantly halt his quest.
His plan was to reenact his "mother's" plan completely, which of course uses the Black Materia. Besides that, Meteor itself could have had something to do with how the plan unfolds. Remember, he has to be at the center of the wound on the planet in order to gain all of the energy. Maybe since he summoned Meteor it wouldn't harm him when it hit whereas anything else would have.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I do not really know if she actually used a destroyed planet as a ship--although in all probabilty she did. Sephiroth has never shown to be capable of destroying a planet. If Jenova managed to pull it off is irrelevant because we're not discussing Jenova here. Once again: he might be able to do it, but he has failed to prove he can. Something Kuja did with relative ease in his trance state.
I don't think his dialog in Advent Children was meant to be false. The way I see it, if he says he'll do something he's capable of it. The exact words of what he said is as follows.
[Quote=]Originally Said by Sephiroth
The last thoughts of Geostigma's dead... those remnants will join the lifestream and circle the planet; choking it; corroding it. What I want, Cloud, is to sail the cosmos with this planet as a vessel. Just as Mother did long ago. then one day we'll find a new planet and on it's soil we'll create a shining future.[/quote]
What I want, Cloud, is to sail the cosmos with this planet as a vessel. Just as Mother did long ago.
If you ask me, that sounds like pretty definitive that both Sephiroth and Jenova are capable of doing it, unless you say that Sephiroth was lying. Which there is no proof to such a claim, nor will their ever be.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
And how does that equate to him beating Kuja? This is Sephiroth vs. Kuja. Not Sephiroth + mind controlled Cloud & Kadaj vs. Kuja. Even if Sephiroth was able to use these 2 as meatshields they will not be able to stand up to Kuja. They would be as much of a nuissance to Kuja as a fly is to human beings.
Well, that was all part of what I had continued below, of course when you break it apart it has no relevance to the topic at at, but combined with what I had said after it, it goes along perfectly in showing how much control he has over his "clones".
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I know all about the negative lifestream. However it doesn't really compare to Kuja's raw power as shown when Trance Kuja destroyed Terra. Sephiroth would be able to destroy all life in the planet with the negative lifestream, but the planet itself would not be destroyed. What I'm trying to point out is that compared to Trance Kuja's feat the negative lifestream is lackluster. It would be like killing someone by injecting him with a deadly virus(n-lifestream) and killing someone by punching him until he explodes(terra). Although both ways are legit IMO. On a side note I doubt the N-lifestream would affect Kuja considering he is not human, nor is he from the same planet.
Controlling the lifestream is controlling life itself. Since it is of course the "blood of the planet". The lifestream is composed of all those who's souls returned to the planet. So controlling it should be a feat indeed. I don't see Kuja controlling the souls of the dead.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I doubt the N-lifestream would affect Kuja considering he is not human, nor is he from the same planet. Also Kuja is strong willed. Even if he did actually manage to get J-cells inside him he would not be able to control him. Sephiroth could not control Cloud after Cloud came to his senses before the end of the 2nd FF7 disc.
Just because you're not from the same place doesn't mean that you can't be affected by their problems. Take for example the Native Americans in the US, when Europeans came and brought their sickness and diseases it still affected the Natives, in fact since they had never been exposed to such a thing before it hit them much harder. The same principal applies here, Kuja, although not human, is still made of the same stuff. He can get sick just like any normal human, it might take more effort but he can succumb to it. As far as Kuja controlling the J-Cells, it might be possible. But it's unlikely that he'd have more control then Sephiroth, who controlled Jenova itself. He has more control over the cells then the being from which those cells came from does. I doubt Kuja could accomplish that, since he wasn't born with them.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
The problem with your ways for Sephiroth winning is that they assume Trance Kuja is just standing there while Sephiroth does all the magic. When Kuja is not stupid, he is actually a genius, and he would not give Sephiroth that opportunity. Sephiroth has yet to prove he can survive Trance Kuja's planet busting capabilities as well.
Well, Sephiroth survived Super Nova without a scratch, which not only destroyed planets but also the sun as well. So a planet destroying attack shouldn't be much of a problem. Then after the planet is destroyed he's just simply absorb all that "boundless energy" and be "reborn as a God, to rule over every soul"
Originally posted by Chaotic
Allow me to correct you, I said [B]he's shown just as much skill in Advent Children as Kuja showed in Final Fantasy 9. Which is true, and you don't seem to disagree... although after this you probably will. What Sephiroth showed in Advent Children was nowhere near his full potential. Once again, my statement is backed up by official literature from the creators of the game.That and more can be found in the Translations of the Ultimania Omega Strategy Guide.
*apparently I can't post a link so you'll have type "Ultimania Omega FAQ" into google and go to the first result to see the source material.*
His plan was to reenact his "mother's" plan completely, which of course uses the Black Materia. Besides that, Meteor itself could have had something to do with how the plan unfolds. Remember, he has to be at the center of the wound on the planet in order to gain all of the energy. Maybe since he summoned Meteor it wouldn't harm him when it hit whereas anything else would have.
I don't think his dialog in Advent Children was meant to be false. The way I see it, if he says he'll do something he's capable of it. The exact words of what he said is as follows.
[Quote=]Originally Said by Sephiroth
The last thoughts of Geostigma's dead... those remnants will join the lifestream and circle the planet; choking it; corroding it. What I want, Cloud, is to sail the cosmos with this planet as a vessel. Just as Mother did long ago. then one day we'll find a new planet and on it's soil we'll create a shining future.
What I want, Cloud, is to sail the cosmos with this planet as a vessel. Just as Mother did long ago.
If you ask me, that sounds like pretty definitive that both Sephiroth and Jenova are capable of doing it, unless you say that Sephiroth was lying. Which there is no proof to such a claim, nor will their ever be.
Well, that was all part of what I had continued below, of course when you break it apart it has no relevance to the topic at at, but combined with what I had said after it, it goes along perfectly in showing how much control he has over his "clones".
Controlling the lifestream is controlling life itself. Since it is of course the "blood of the planet". The lifestream is composed of all those who's souls returned to the planet. So controlling it should be a feat indeed. I don't see Kuja controlling the souls of the dead.
Just because you're not from the same place doesn't mean that you can't be affected by their problems. Take for example the Native Americans in the US, when Europeans came and brought their sickness and diseases it still affected the Natives, in fact since they had never been exposed to such a thing before it hit them much harder. The same principal applies here, Kuja, although not human, is still made of the same stuff. He can get sick just like any normal human, it might take more effort but he can succumb to it. As far as Kuja controlling the J-Cells, it might be possible. But it's unlikely that he'd have more control then Sephiroth, who controlled Jenova itself. He has more control over the cells then the being from which those cells came from does. I doubt Kuja could accomplish that, since he wasn't born with them.
Well, Sephiroth survived Super Nova without a scratch, which not only destroyed planets but also the sun as well. So a planet destroying attack shouldn't be much of a problem. Then after the planet is destroyed he's just simply absorb all that "boundless energy" and be "reborn as a God, to rule over every soul" [/B][/QUOTE] You actually make some good points. As far as Super Nova goes however, I'm pretty sure that's just an illusionary attack.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
You actually make some good points. As far as Super Nova goes however, I'm pretty sure that's just an illusionary attack.
That's a theory that the fans came up with, officially it's not an illusion because we've never been told by anything official. And since you can't use a theory as fact, no matter how popular, it's not an illusion but a real attack.
Now of course, if anybody has any official documentation of it being called a theory, please feel free to post it. However, I'm sure you'll find it hard to find anything at all.
Oh and thanks for the compliment.
Originally posted by ChaoticSo Cloud and company survived a Star shattering meteor? Right....
That's a theory that the fans came up with, officially it's not an illusion because we've never been told by anything official. And since you can't use a theory as fact, no matter how popular, it's not an illusion but a real attack.Now of course, if anybody has any official documentation of it being called a theory, please feel free to post it. However, I'm sure you'll find it hard to find anything at all.
Oh and thanks for the compliment.
Originally posted by Chaotic
Allow me to correct you, I said [B]he's shown just as much skill in Advent Children as Kuja showed in Final Fantasy 9. Which is true, and you don't seem to disagree... although after this you probably will. What Sephiroth showed in Advent Children was nowhere near his full potential. Once again, my statement is backed up by official literature from the creators of the game. [/B]
I agree that Advent Children Sephiroth is his weakest incarnation. However Sephiroth manipulating the n-lifestream is not really that impressive considering his relation to Jenova. The only skill he showed was with the Masamune, and he is going to need more than that to top Kuja. What Sephiroth showed in AC was no where what he showed in the game. All this talk about full potential is irrelevant because he has not reached it yet.
Originally posted by Chaotic
That and more can be found in the Translations of the Ultimania Omega Strategy Guide.*apparently I can't post a link so you'll have type "Ultimania Omega FAQ" into google and go to the first result to see the source material.*
You can post links.
Originally posted by Chaotic
His plan was to reenact his "mother's" plan completely, which of course uses the Black Materia. Besides that, Meteor itself could have had something to do with how the plan unfolds. Remember, he has to be at the center of the wound on the planet in order to gain all of the energy. Maybe since he summoned Meteor it wouldn't harm him when it hit whereas anything else would have.
There is no proof Meteor had something to do with how the plan unfolds. Sephiroth had to be in the center of the planet because that is where the energy was going to gather to begin the cycle again. Sephiroth was going to interrupt this cycle in order to attaind godhood. In gameplay if a character casts an offensive/status spell on someone that has reflect the spell is redirected at the caster and it can affect him. That leads me to believe Sephiroth would not be immune to meteor. And even if he became immune because he casted Meteor it would not aid him in a durability debate because it is not part of his physical stats.
Originally posted by Chaotic
I don't think his dialog in Advent Children was meant to be false. The way I see it, if he says he'll do something he's capable of it. The exact words of what he said is as follows.
Characters can say a lot of stuff. It does not mean they can actually do them. In a debate actual proof is of importance. Kuja has his proof; where is Sephiroth's? Speculation won't cut it.
Originally posted by Chaotic[Quote=]Originally Said by Sephiroth
[b]The last thoughts of Geostigma's dead... those remnants will join the lifestream and circle the planet; choking it; corroding it. What I want, Cloud, is to sail the cosmos with this planet as a vessel. Just as Mother did long ago. then one day we'll find a new planet and on it's soil we'll create a shining future.
What I want, Cloud, is to sail the cosmos with this planet as a vessel. Just as Mother did long ago.
If you ask me, that sounds like pretty definitive that both Sephiroth and Jenova are capable of doing it, unless you say that Sephiroth was lying. Which there is no proof to such a claim, nor will their ever be. [/b][/quote]
And? He did not do it. Sephiroth has been wrong before. He is not omniscient. He was wrong about being a Cetra for starters. BTW I did not claim Jenova couldn't do it; I just made the observation that if she did it the feat belongs to her and not Sephiroth.
Originally posted by ChaoticWell, that was all part of what I had continued below, of course when you break it apart it has no relevance to the topic at at, but combined with what I had said after it, it goes along perfectly in showing how much control he has over his "clones".
Easy. I got your point across. However I told you that Sephiroth corrupting Kuja with Jenova and then controlling him the same way he did Kadaj is really far-stretched.
Originally posted by ChaoticControlling the lifestream is controlling life itself. Since it is of course the "blood of the planet". The lifestream is composed of all those who's souls returned to the planet. So controlling it should be a feat indeed. I don't see Kuja controlling the souls of the dead.
He did not control life itself. He controlled the Jenova cells aka the negative-lifestream that was infecting the lifestream. Never did Sephiroth show control over the lifestream. Newsflash: If Sephiroth actually controlled the lifestream he would have prevented it from helping Holy stop Meteor.
On a side note Kuja used tech to manipulate souls.
Originally posted by Chaotic
Just because you're not from the same place doesn't mean that you can't be affected by their problems. Take for example the Native Americans in the US, when Europeans came and brought their sickness and diseases it still affected the Natives, in fact since they had never been exposed to such a thing before it hit them much harder. The same principal applies here, Kuja, although not human, is still made of the same stuff. He can get sick just like any normal human, it might take more effort but he can succumb to it. As far as Kuja controlling the J-Cells, it might be possible. But it's unlikely that he'd have more control then Sephiroth, who controlled Jenova itself. He has more control over the cells then the being from which those cells came from does. I doubt Kuja could accomplish that, since he wasn't born with them.
No. If Kuja is not human you cannot make the claim he is made of the same stuff. For starters Queen Brahme being human(a really ugly one at that) along with the rest of her army were decimated by Bahamut's attack. Kuja was unphased by it when Bahamut used the same attack on him.
Sephiroth's control over the J-cells was not enough to keep Cloud in-check throughout the entire FF7 quest. It will not work on Kuja.
Originally posted by Chaotic
Well, Sephiroth survived Super Nova without a scratch, which not only destroyed planets but also the sun as well. So a planet destroying attack shouldn't be much of a problem. Then after the planet is destroyed he's just simply absorb all that "boundless energy" and be "reborn as a God, to rule over every soul"
I am sure you are aware making the claim Sephiroth survived a Super Nova and try to make it sound believable is out of bounds, right? Cloud & co. survived the same attack!? But wait...Sephiroth was badly injured from a sword wound, and so was Cloud in actual canon cutscenes and yet they can survive Super Novas? You are better off leaving the Super Nova out of the discussion.
Originally posted by Chaotic
That's a theory that the fans came up with, officially it's not an illusion because we've never been told by anything official. And since you can't use a theory as fact, no matter how popular, it's not an illusion but a real attack.Now of course, if anybody has any official documentation of it being called a theory, please feel free to post it. However, I'm sure you'll find it hard to find anything at all.
Oh and thanks for the compliment.
Nice way of bending stuff left and right. But Sephiroth and Cloud's party surviving Super Novas is too far fetched and even the most insane FF7 fan would admit it.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I agree that Advent Children Sephiroth is his weakest incarnation. However Sephiroth manipulating the n-lifestream is not really that impressive considering his relation to Jenova. The only skill he showed was with the Masamune, and he is going to need more than that to top Kuja. What Sephiroth showed in AC was no where what he showed in the game. All this talk about full potential is irrelevant because he has not reached it yet.
His incarnation in Advent Children was his strongest yet, he has all the abilities from the game plus many more. And the talk of full potential is relevant because he's never shown more power then what he did in Advent Children. Which is much below his maximum.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
IYou can post links.
It says I have to be more well known.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
IThere is no proof Meteor had something to do with how the plan unfolds. Sephiroth had to be in the center of the planet because that is where the energy was going to gather to begin the cycle again. Sephiroth was going to interrupt this cycle in order to attaind godhood. In gameplay if a character casts an offensive/status spell on someone that has reflect the spell is redirected at the caster and it can affect him. That leads me to believe Sephiroth would not be immune to meteor. And even if he became immune because he casted Meteor it would not aid him in a durability debate because it is not part of his physical stats.
Even so, that doesn't change the fact that he was preforming Jenova's plan down to the exacts, which is why he summoned Meteor instead of taking a quicker route.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
ICharacters can say a lot of stuff. It does not mean they can actually do them. In a debate actual proof is of importance. Kuja has his proof; where is Sephiroth's? Speculation won't cut it.
That's exactly my point, speculation won't cut it. It seems that we're both at a standstill. The movie says he can yet he didn't, so I assume he can. You speculate that he can't, who's right? Speculation won't cut it, meaning the closest drop to evidence we have is what he said. Since he didn't do it or even attempt it for that matter, you have to use the best evidence you can. Which is what is said.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
IAnd? He did not do it. Sephiroth has been wrong before. He is not omniscient. He was wrong about being a Cetra for starters. BTW I did not claim Jenova couldn't do it; I just made the observation that if she did it the feat belongs to her and not Sephiroth.
He didn't do it because he never had the chance to do so. He fought Cloud, who got lucky, and was defeated. He might have been wrong about being a Cetra, but he only knew what he read. He saw that his Mother was Jenova and that Gast had Jenova classified as an Ancient. He was wrong, but only because he was lead to believe so by reports. I would think that he'd know what he was capable of. Especially since he's shown to have every other ability that Jenova has.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
IEasy. I got your point across. However I told you that Sephiroth corrupting Kuja with Jenova and then controlling him the same way he did Kadaj is really far-stretched.
I don't see how it is honestly.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
IHe did not control life itself. He controlled the Jenova cells aka the negative-lifestream that was infecting the lifestream. Never did Sephiroth show control over the lifestream. Newsflash: If Sephiroth actually controlled the lifestream he would have prevented it from helping Holy stop Meteor.On a side note Kuja used tech to manipulate souls.
Well, if you don't want to count that as controlling the lifestream then I've got another for you. In the SE published story "The Maiden Who Travels the Planet" he does indeed control the lifestream, not negative LS either, the pure stuff. He used it to suck President Shinra's concisenesses away during the events of Final Fantasy VII. Once again, I can't post links, so you'll have to look it up yourself.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
INo. If Kuja is not human you cannot make the claim he is made of the same stuff. For starters Queen Brahme being human(a really ugly one at that) along with the rest of her army were decimated by Bahamut's attack. Kuja was unphased by it when Bahamut used the same attack on him.Sephiroth's control over the J-cells was not enough to keep Cloud in-check throughout the entire FF7 quest. It will not work on Kuja.
What do you mean I can't make the claim he's made of the same stuff? EVERYTHING is made of the same material, right now to their atoms. He has to be comprised of cells, just like every other living creature. And an attack from a Dragon isn't the same thing as a Disease, you can't say it is. Also, after Sephiroth received the Black Materia from Cloud he had no use to even TRY to control him anymore. As I recall, he never even tried, so making the assumption that he can't is absurd, especially when he can still manipulate his other clones.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
II am sure you are aware making the claim Sephiroth survived a Super Nova and try to make it sound believable is out of bounds, right? Cloud & co. survived the same attack!? But wait...Sephiroth was badly injured from a sword wound, and so was Cloud in actual canon cutscenes and yet they can survive Super Novas? You are better off leaving the Super Nova out of the discussion.
Okay, then let's say Super Nova IS an illusion, that doesn't decrease the power of the attack, in fact it only makes him that much stronger. Instead of creating a fireball that destroys worlds he's now capable of diving into ANYBODIES mind and creating an illusion. What would stop him from putting Kuja into an illusion then cutting him down where he stands without any resistance whatsoever? Nothing, his will is obviously at least as strong as Kuja's own. Defying your creator, willing yourself a body from nothing both seem about the same to me.
Originally posted by ChaoticSephiroth having equal or more skill than Kuja is a LARGE opinion on your behalf. If by chance he is more skilled than Kuja, that alone wouldn't give Sephiroth the victory against him.
Allow me to correct you, I said [B]he's shown just as much skill in Advent Children as Kuja showed in Final Fantasy 9. Which is true, and you don't seem to disagree... although after this you probably will. What Sephiroth showed in Advent Children was nowhere near his full potential. Once again, my statement is backed up by official literature from the creators of the game. That and more can be found in the Translations of the Ultimania Omega Strategy Guide.[/b]
Originally posted by ChaoticAnd this has to do with being able to destroy a planet, how? Injuring a planet to consume its energy and nuking one are two totally different things, not to mention the time it takes a person to cast Meteor with the Black Materia is time-consuming. Kuja destroyed Terra within a few seconds.
His plan was to reenact his "mother's" plan completely, which of course uses the Black Materia. Besides that, Meteor itself could have had something to do with how the plan unfolds. Remember, he has to be at the center of the wound on the planet in order to gain all of the energy. Maybe since he summoned Meteor it wouldn't harm him when it hit whereas anything else would have.
Originally posted by ChaoticWhere's the confirmation that Jenova destroyed a planet that's as large as the world of Terra. That meteor Jenova was riding was nowhere near the size of Terra, or Earth. Secondly, the way Sephiroth can "destroy" a planet, or corrupting it rather, is by using the lifestream against it, and as your beloved Sephiroth states, "The last thoughts of Geostigma's dead... those remnants will join the lifestream and circle the planet; choking it; corroding it." That's not really going to assist Sephiroth here, considering this is not Gaia they're fighting on, nor has Sephiroth ever used the lifestream against his opponents before. What he can do with it in battle is a mere pigment of your imagination.
I don't think his dialog in Advent Children was meant to be false. The way I see it, if he says he'll do something he's capable of it. The exact words of what he said is as follows.
Originally posted by ChaoticYeah, capable of sailing the cosmos with a planet. Big whoop there.
If you ask me, that sounds like pretty definitive that both Sephiroth and Jenova are capable of doing it, unless you say that Sephiroth was lying. Which there is no proof to such a claim, nor will their ever be.
Originally posted by ChaoticAll that needs to said in response to this is: Nuking an entire planet > Anything Sephiroth has shown to do.
Well, that was all part of what I had continued below, of course when you break it apart it has no relevance to the topic at at, but combined with what I had said after it, it goes along perfectly in showing how much control he has over his "clones". Controlling the lifestream is controlling life itself. Since it is of course the "blood of the planet". The lifestream is composed of all those who's souls returned to the planet. So controlling it should be a feat indeed. I don't see Kuja controlling the souls of the dead.
Originally posted by ChaoticWow...what complete and utter bullshit...lmfao
Just because you're not from the same place doesn't mean that you can't be affected by their problems. Take for example the Native Americans in the US, when Europeans came and brought their sickness and diseases it still affected the Natives, in fact since they had never been exposed to such a thing before it hit them much harder. The same principal applies here, Kuja, although not human, is still made of the same stuff. He can get sick just like any normal human, it might take more effort but he can succumb to it. As far as Kuja controlling the J-Cells, it might be possible. But it's unlikely that he'd have more control then Sephiroth, who controlled Jenova itself. He has more control over the cells then the being from which those cells came from does. I doubt Kuja could accomplish that, since he wasn't born with them.
Your comparison of humans getting infected with diseases and Trance Kuja becoming infected with Jenova cells is ridiculous and laughable. What makes you think using the negative lifestream against a being of Kuja's caliber would be effective? No scratch that, what makes you think Sephiroth would be able to infect Kuja with J-cells in the first place? 😆
Originally posted by ChaoticNow here is where I laugh at the biggest and most utter piece of nonsense you've put down here. You sure do know how to contradict yourself saying Sephiroth has enough durability to endure planet-destroying assaults, yet at other times you state that it is only an illusionary attack by said character, where he manipulates the person into seeing the animation, because when another fanboy is debating you, you don't want them to lose control and throw tantrum. Fact of the matter is, it's in fact an illusionary attack, as far as most people are concerned. In addition, if Sephiroth can get raped by an omnislash from his boyfriend Cloud Strife, it proves that he can't endure attacks of the like and assaults far worse than that, such as say...Kuja's planet-destroying Ultima.
Well, Sephiroth survived Super Nova without a scratch, which not only destroyed planets but also the sun as well. So a planet destroying attack shouldn't be much of a problem. Then after the planet is destroyed he's just simply absorb all that "boundless energy" and be "reborn as a God, to rule over every soul"
Edit: And your theory of Sephiroth becoming a god right after Kuja blasts him with a planet-destroying assault is beyond hilarious.
Farewell and have a nice day.