Does God have a right to judge us?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
God created a world without sin and Adam and Eve without knowledge of good and evil. If Eve had no knowledge of good and evil or right and wrong, how can she punished? If I put a three year old child in a room with a knife and told him not to play with it, should I be surprised when he does or punish him when he hurts himself as the result of my own negligence?

the child wouldnt take advantage of it... adam and eve did... they knew after whats good and evil (i think they also didnt knew before what sex is....)... so you cant compare these i think....

the point is... if the child hurts himself with a knife once. he wont do it again. if you punish him, it wouldnt change anything about the childs behaviour.
if the child eats a chocolate though you have forbidden it and it likes the taste of chocolate, it would do it again and again. if you punish him immediatly after he ate the chocolate he wont probably do it again... (not to discuss wether its the right way of child-care or not)
thats like the forbidden fruit thing....

the child wouldnt take advantage of it... adam and eve did... they knew after whats good and evil (i think they also didnt knew before what sex is....)... so you cant compare these i think....

the main point is that adam and eve couldn't have known that disobeying god was wrong... they had no knowledge of the difference between right and wrong, and indeed no knowledge that such thindgs as good and evil existed.... also if you read the relevant passages, god doesn't kick them out for disobedience, but so that they don't also eat from the tree of life....

Originally posted by Ou Be Low hoo
Word, word, word, word, WORD! I agree with everything you say apart from the flippant homophobic comment.

What homopphobic comment ? 🤨

The homophobic comment that was edited by Raz.

didnt see the homophopic part of it either

he created an imperfect being nonetheless, if they were perfect they wouldn't have gone for the forbidden fruit and so creating sin. So we get screwed over time after time because god made an imperfect being and is punishing us for it.

god could also have eliminated the devil before he went to eve... or even better, never accepted/created/whatever him as an angel if he knew in his all mighty power that he would fall and become the devil.

there is a big difference between letting your kid do something it's not supposed to and screwing up menkind till eternity for a mistake one person did millenia ago, nice god that is!

People were made perfect in spirit, untainted. Free will was given and they disobeyed what they were told. They take responsibility for their actions.

While sin is in the world and it is not peaceful, there is still good in the world too.

He could have eliminated the devil just as he could eliminate any person who disobeyed him but as it is, he lets them do what they want for now. Eventually though, those who disobey will be punished.

Humans arent screwed to eternity either and if you know anything about the bible, you would know that the secular world is not the ultimate focus.

Originally posted by Storm
The homophobic comment that was edited by Raz.

Oh I must have had a homophobic comment in there I can'T remember. Hmm you sure it was homophobic? 🤨

no, we are not build perfect, if we were not a single being would be born with a desease or missing limbs or what ever. Humans are not perfect in mind, how else could there be mental disturbed people?

It's very easy to hide behind free will all the time. if we had the free will, how come we get punished for having it then? eve ate the fruit out of free will and gets punished for it? that shows how a tyrant that god is:
he first creates imperfect beings and knows they'll eat the fruit and then he goes further and gives them free will
yet he does insist on punishing the entire menkind for his failing. I don't see how anyone can see a loving god in this if he does nothing but punish.
where is it written that our destination is to deceide between god and the devil? if god had raised adam and eve better, they would know that the devil is evil, but he failed this clearly, cause who picks evil? imperfect beings do that.

I know why he didn't: cause he doesn't exist. so we are resonsible for what adam and eve did then?

that's bull! how come a young baby of a few days can suffer immensely already? cause he didn't kept himself to the rules??? why do kids die? cause they sinned?

Originally posted by DuronKiller
sure we are build perfect... the human body and mind is just perfect. why wouldnt it be perfect if we eat the forbidden fruit? thats the point of a free will. we can choose to either live with god or with the devil. if we wouldnt be able to choose the life with the devil (because of much more intelligence which would let us see a life with the devil as crap) we would have no free will since our destination is to decide between god and the devil. we are just perfect for this assignment, because as i said, if we wouldnt choose the devil (at least the coice has to be there), we would have no free will in this aspect and we would mistake our destination (the choice).

i dont know why god didnt you dont know either, but that doesnt change a thing because we still are responsible for what we do.

no god isnt screwing up menkind! that are we ourselves... god gave us rules. if we were all behaving after these rules we all were happy (cause we wouldnt do any sin and would all live in harmony).

God could of destroyed Satan right from the start, but then wouldn't the other angels and even other beings serve Him only out of fear of being destroyed instead of serving Him cause He is love. Maybe He is letting all this play out so all can see what Sin really does. When He comes and destroys it. Everyone will know He could of destroyed it all, but let it be a lesson to all, so it will never happen again. Justice for all the see

The reason why god has the right to judge us is because it says it appointed once a man to die and then face the judgement so see that gives him every right to judge a person who dies after all he did create every man and woman on this earth he did'nt intend to have people die that happened when sin entered the world and the white throne judgement will be final judgement of all unsaved. hope answers some of your questions.

I totally agree!!!

Originally posted by darktim1
The reason why god has the right to judge us is because it says it appointed once a man to die and then face the judgement so see that gives him every right to judge a person who dies after all he did create every man and woman on this earth he did'nt intend to have people die that happened when sin entered the world and the white throne judgement will be final judgement of all unsaved. hope answers some of your questions.

God has the right to judge because He says so? Perhaps if God had been a better caretaker, sin would not have entered the world. Instead, He created two beings with no knowledge of good and evil and likewise, no knowledge of right and wrong and expected them to make right choices. That almost makes an iota of sense.

The reason why god has the right to judge us is because it says it appointed once a man to die and then face the judgement so see that gives him every right to judge a person who dies after all he did create every man and woman on this earth he did'nt intend to have people die that happened when sin entered the world and the white throne judgement will be final judgement of all unsaved. hope answers some of your questions.

The White Throne Judgement iss the final Judgement of all who lived and not excepted Christ death on the cross for eternal life. It's in Revelation. Full of symbolizom. Should read a good commentary on it.
Try "teachinghearts.org. It's a good one.

There are 2 ressurections. The first is the righteous dead are raised to eternal like and the 2nd "White Throne" is the Judgement and eternal death. You don't want to miss the first one. LOL

white throne , so theatrical so phony

I have no problem with God or anyone judging me when I die. When I go all I want is to eliminate any harm or trouble I caused. God or no God all I want to do is make sure I didn't do anything wrong to anyone.

It's more than that! Study it out. More people plan more for their retirment than their eternity...Study it out.

Hope to see you there.

More people plan more for their retirment than their eternity...

Sure he has a right to judge you.He created you.