FF4 VS these 4 xmen i chose

"I like the FF as much as the X-men. But that statement was kinda farfetched Imo. The X-men have dealt with the Shi-ar Imperial guard and have battled the Brood on several ocasions. And if I remember right recently the FF came to the X-men for help in the crossover comic that is out now. But as far as the fight goes It would a sure brawl and I dont think I can pick a winner. The only real advantage the FF has is Reed. And maybe thats enough."

Was just talking essentially.

-AC

X-men easily. Iceman alone could almost tkae them all out. Iceman can't be killed by any means the FF have. If, a BIG if, Torch were to burn all of the moisture out of the air so that Iceman was unable to reform his body, Iceman woud take the moisture out of Sue or Reed or Thing or Johny or all of them. Colossus, with his newly enhanced strength, would be able to take out Thing. Jean, umm well she basically is the Phoenix, the Phoenix is literally part of who he is, so she would beat their arses. NC is the only one who doesn't stack up...

"X-men easily. Iceman alone could almost tkae them all out. "

Ice-Man could actually take out the Fantastic Four?

-AC

I find it amusing how little respect the Fantastic Four gets. After all, all they've ever really done is take on global and galactic threats on nearly a regular basis that the likes of the X-Men or Avengers could only dream of, along with gaining the respect of most cosmic beings.

I'm still actually reeling from that "Ice-Man could take them alone" claim.

-AC

You sure Vaporman, ummm, Iceman really could?😉

iceman is really powerful... but this is the Fantastic Four... jeez...

Iceman is an Omeag Mutants, one perk of that being that he doesn' need a physical body. So even if Human Torch vaporized him, he would be able to find moisture from somewhere(I.E. The FF's bodies.) and reform a body. Jean is also an Omega, she IS the living embodiment of the Phoenix. This was an unfair mathup to put The FF up against this particular group of X-men...

F4 would take out the X-Men, Ice-Man and all.

Ice-Man is no match for Sue Storm.

-AC

since when does jean have phoenix capabilities in this fight?

is jean pheonix?

that a good question.orginal not..but now she is..I think Muffin Man

so the X-men

Yes, it turns out that Jean's genetic makeup makes her the phoenix! And Iceman is more than a match for Sue Storm.

Maybe if it were something more like Cyclops, Storm, Colossus, and Sunfire or something, this might be more fair, but it was just an unfair matchup to put the FF against two pretty good X-men(Nightcrawler and Colossus) and the two most powerful X-men...

Replace Nightcrawler (Gutentag mein Freund) with a more impressive X-Man, and we have a good fight.

Not really...

...Throw Nightcrawler out all together, and the outcome is going to be the same.

Jean is a cosmic force as the Phoenix. She may even be able to rival the powers of Adam Warlock. Iceman is not too far behind. Neither of them can be physically taken out, and the FF don't have the rights means to take them out. As far as I'm concerned, Colossus and Nightcrawler are irrelevant, as Phoenix and Iceman would take down the FF long before they would get into the fight...

I doubt the FF would fear these opponents in the light of the people they have taken on in the past. I would always back the Thing against Colossus, power up or not, considering he gives the Hulk trouble usually.

Lest we forget the power-up the Human Torch curretly has.

Let us remember to consider Jean's current state, you know, where she is basically a god... ...er... ...goddess. Even if we went with Johny as a herald, he is no match for Phoenix, and Iceman tips the scales that much more. There is no denying that the X-men would win.

"There is no denying that the X-men would win."

There is because it's happening. Realistically you are the underdog here.

-AC

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I would always back the Thing against Colossus, power up or not, considering he gives the Hulk trouble usually.