The Dark side is......British

The point is, it is often seen that East Asia is spiritually
purer, while the West has become spiritually corrupt.

The West has religion, but its religion has become
hallow, a tool used by power-hungry elites. But in the
East (or so it goes), as well as in India, religion and
mysticism is alive and well. People there are still "in
tune" with their spirituality and their inner...stuff...

Bulls***? Sure it is! But that's a popular view.

All I'm saying, is that Lucas may have been influenced
by that view when creating the general profile of the
"rebels".

And as for Vietnam, well like Vietnam, you had a very
powerful nation, with highly-destructive weapons, going
against less well-armed forced. Something that comes
across especially in "Return of the jedi" with the Endore
battles.

Originally posted by King Burger
The point is, it is often seen that East Asia is spiritually
purer, while the West has become spiritually corrupt.

The West has religion, but its religion has become
hallow, a tool used by power-hungry elites. But in the
East (or so it goes), as well as in India, religion and
mysticism is alive and well. People there are still "in
tune" with their spirituality and their inner...stuff...

Bulls***? Sure it is! But that's a popular view.

so this has what to do with the movies again?

Originally posted by Uber_God
so this has what to do with the movies again?

What the hell?????

This thread is a discussion about what the Empire may
represent, British Empire, Nazu german Empire, current
American Empire, etc...

I simply proposed that Lucas maybe was thinking
abou the Vietnam War, and that the Empire represents
the high-tech US, while the rebels represent the more
"spiritually pure" East Asia, especially given Lucas'
interest in East Asian spirituality, and the influence it
had on the film.

Maybe you should re-read the last seven posts to re-fresh
you memory of the progress of the thread.

Try looking at the thread name buddy
it says British
not american or vietnemese

i pointed out that gl might have been showing the euros to be evil not just the british
(look up to my posts)

Yes, Grand Moff Gav started the thread to express his view that
the Empire was British. Like all threads in this website, it prompted
responses from both people who agree, and people who disagree
and who gave alternate views.

If the point of Forums was to state an opinion and then have
everyone who reponds completely agree, then there would be any
Forums, just a whole bunch of diary blogs.

um
i didnt agree
i agrred in part but not fully
i did give an alternative view

So be it.

I disagreed, and merely presented a possible different
view, is all.

back to topic now?

Sure.

So as I was saying, Zen Buddhism is....I kid.

So maybe Vietnam was no influence over Star Wars, maybe
only over the Endore battles.

Otherwise, I would stick with my earlier contention that the
Empire was Nazi Germany, with it's Stormtroopers, and
advanced technology. The rebels being the Anglo-American
allies.

Much like Cobra in G.I.Joe.

Actually the Empire had some communistic features in it.

Emperor: "Rise my friend..."
Emperor: "Patience, my friend."

"comrade" = "My firend" ?

good point sesse
communism is mainly linked with russians in alot of peoples minds

do you think of the russians as euros or asians?

well my english is a bit poor but i will give it a try......well the empire got some thing inspired from different places like SESSE had a point there but also those who sais nazis cause o dont know if it matters but DARTH VADERS helmet got the same shape as the nazis soldiers had(but vaders is slightly overdone) also different ppl in the empire use those helmets.

well this certainly branched out but vaders helmet came from the ancient samuri

ooh yes now that i think of it so....

well thats what Ralph Maquire said he was trying to accomplish when he drew Vader

Originally posted by King Burger
The point is, it is often seen that East Asia is spiritually
purer, while the West has become spiritually corrupt.

The West has religion, but its religion has become
hallow, a tool used by power-hungry elites. But in the
East (or so it goes), as well as in India, religion and
mysticism is alive and well. People there are still "in
tune" with their spirituality and their inner...stuff...

Bulls***? Sure it is! But that's a popular view.

All I'm saying, is that Lucas may have been influenced
by that view when creating the general profile of the
"rebels".

And as for Vietnam, well like Vietnam, you had a very
powerful nation, with highly-destructive weapons, going
against less well-armed forced. Something that comes
across especially in "Return of the jedi" with the Endore
battles.

who are you you you dont dis the all powerful west or the empire If im corrupt then im glad after all being British is to be disliked.or feared

i will put your mind at rest king burger.

the empire was british because the actors in it were from Britain they are similar to britain because they used an overwhelming naval power to gain and maintain an empire.

They are not like americans because they re not a republic they are like Japan becuse the officer uniforms are very similar to the japaneeses ones during WWII and they are like nazis because the weaseld they re way in and took complete control and where very anti alien,nazis anti jew,

as for the communisim connection no because people are not treated as equals it is very segregated with threr high human culture,

ahhh there you go that was easy but feel free to disagree if you wish thats the point of this post.

Oh and Uber God i thought you didnt like me (least fav sw character) yet here you agreeing with me thats abit odd.

Interesting points, but the idea that they are British because the actors are British is like saying all Vaapad practicing Jedi are black with purple lightsabers. Not really logic, just personal opinion.

As for being communist, I think one person (Forgive me for not scrolling up and finding your name) is mistranslating "friend" into "comrade". I could be wrong. But yeah, in English we tend not to use comrade and friend as meaning the same thing. Usually comrade is a brotherly bond-type word used to describe fellow men-at-arms.

Second, I don't think it's a proper tie-in to say the Empire is Nazi-like simply because they are prejudice. Every major society including Japan, Britain, France, and whatnot has had a stint in their past where they were very prejudice and most even committed forms of genocide. That being said, I think Nazis only come to mind because they have gotten more media coverage, and prejudice massacres and intolerance such as the Massacre of Sand Creek, or King Leopold's Congo seem to elude history books.

I will say, however, that the tie-in with Imperial naval power and British naval power was a very good one. I hadn't thought of it like that, really, and I think it makes sense.

As for Vietnam, I might have something interesting to say about that... when I dig my textbook out of my car, later on. In my history textbook, there is a small excerpt which compares the feelings of cold war America and the times of the Vietnam conflict to Star Wars trilogy. I'm not even kidding. It's there... Somebody with a degree believes theres some kinda connection. I guess it's not too shabby a reflection, now is it?

thanks for that little complement about the naval power im quite chuffed.

as for the Nazi thing i unerstand what u mean but when i refer them as nazis i dont mean to imply that the Nazis where the only prejudice country in the world i just use them as an example because as you say they are the best known for example if i meantion concentration camps people think of Nazis even though they where used by the Brits in the Boer war or the americans prisoner of war camp in cuba could also be seen as a concentration camp but people still think of Nazis its as you say because theyre more in the common pulic domain,

Right. It comes to mind when you say 'Nazi', people have a better idea. You say Boer war and most are like "Huh?"