Originally posted by Fieldy69
Spiderman beats rhino on a regular basis and hes pretty much equal to colossus in strength and endurance
Except for the fact that he's really not.
Rhino isn't nearly as impervious to injury like Colossus is, though impressive nonetheless. Nor is he as strong. I believe Rhino is class 75 now? Colossus is Class 100. Both do have superhuman endurance, however. Colossus is also far smarter and far better fighter. As well as superior agility.
Wynndar says
"Colossus:
-Please demonstrate where Colossus has 3xhuman speed.
-When has Colossus been portrayed as a master of strategy?
-Physics is a good argument to argue Colossus' speed...if he can throw Wolverine a few hundred miles per hour causing him to reach Ord's ship while taking off, he may be able to throw an awkward 200mph punch...regardless this does nothing to someone like Spidey who perceives bullets at 20mph and has a precognisant "Spidey-Sense" that allows him to dodge lasers traveling at light speed.
Spiderman:
-Used to max out at 10 tons, (but he has been seen to brace multistory buildings, lift 40 tons of steel off his back,etc.)
-Spidey has fought WAY more villains than any single X-Man save perhaps Wolverine. Did he have Cyclops, Captain AMerica, Reed Richards leading him or telling him what to do? No, Spidey has routinely designed strategies for taking down bigger threats than Colossus on the fly.
-Spiderman can't routinely beat bricks like Colossus in a straight up brawl unless he snaps like he did against Firelord...Firelord's durability does exceed Colossus...he's taken punches from Drax..but he could not take a sustained assault of spider-fast/strong punches from Peter."
with that said one must argue against this along with the fact that spidey will most likely resort to outsmarting colossus instead of fighting him h2h. Spidey has even outsmarted the most intelligent of villians.
Great post h1a8
The list of people who haven't been able to lay a finger on Spidey is far more impressive than Colossus. Either this would be a tie, or Parker would figure something out eventually. Spidey's fought for days before...and when Colossus is barely touching him and he's whaling the crap out of Colossus with everything he can find, Bid C will go down eventually.
If this is only a straight fight, then its a no-fight. Despite all the nay sayers theoritically speaking Colossus will not be able to lay a finger on Spider-Man. Yes, he has been hit in the past by slower, but Colossus has been taken out by weaker foes so it goes both ways. In the end I see Spider-Man evading and then out smarting Colossus like he does when fighting the Hulk, Rhino or Juggeraunt. I know Colossus isn't as stupid as these guys but Spider-Man is much smarter than him. Out smarting him is the only way to win, either that or this is just a no fight.
Plus if this is Iron Spider-Man, since the other he is even faster and with the suit he can glide. I don't see him losing here
Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
True, true... but in many cases spidey's merged the two genius'. He should o that in this case too, should he not?
Spidey pelting Hydroman with a rubber cement-like webbing formula is slightly different than "battlefield tactics".
But Spidey has been training with Cap. Can he win? Depends. Does Colossus getting bored and quitting first count? If so, sure. If it has to be by a fall? They'll both give up and go grab a burger.
Also, Spideys strength limit isn't 15. His PRESS Limit is 15. There are athletes who can lift almost a ton with their legs but military press a lot less. Spidey is exactly the same. He can probably SUPPORT a good 30-50 tons. Lift and carry it, or do anything? doubt it. Which also means he can't really hit that hard. It's all about using every part of his body to support the weight.
Is he? That may be true. But he's still not anywhere near as tough as Colossus.
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Originally posted by marvelprince
In the end I see Spider-Man evading and then out smarting Colossus like he does when fighting the Hulk, Rhino or Juggeraunt.
Unless the writers get another itch to recreate the firelord story and make spidey pound colossus until he gets koed or killed. Since the writers wrote that then it is very possible for spidey to win in a straight fight. It is silly to say this is a no fight if its a straight fight. You must haven't seen the best of spider-man.
Originally posted by h1a8
Unless the writers get another itch to recreate the firelord story and make spidey pound colossus until he gets koed or killed. Since the writers wrote that then it is very possible for spidey to win in a straight fight. It is silly to say this is a no fight if its a straight fight. You must haven't seen the best of spider-man.
I actually laughed when I read your last sentence. But most people here brush off Spider-Man vs Firelord and similar instances. I personally think Spider-Man can Colossus, but without proof that posters will actually listen too I would just seem like a Spider-Man fanboy. In my post I did say Spider-Man would win, its just more likely that he would win by outsmarting rather than by force which would be harder
A Peter vs Peter fight, huh? 馃槜
I'd have to go with the metal Peter in this fight. While the spider Peter's speed, pre-cog, and agility would give him a clear early advantage, the metal Peter's druabilty, staminia, and strength would eventually overcome it.
spider Peter would need some sort of plot device in order to beat metal Peter (ala trapping Juggernaught in some concrete), realistically he just doesn't have any way to hurt metal Peter.
metal Peter's unique physiology gives him much greater staminia than spider Peter. metal Peter can physically exert himself at his peak for days before fatigue will set in. spider Peter would tire well before this. So whild his pre-cog would still be working, eventually he would become too tired to avoid a hit from metal Peter and then the fight would be over. 馃檪