To Supessucks: I'm SO sorry. When I referred to Doomsday, Superman, and Captain Marvel. I meant to say they COULDN'T break the lasso. Sorry! I had lapse of bad grammar.
When Rogue absorbs someone, she absorbs their powers and their consciousness, their being, their proverbial soul. Even if its temporary, she still has their residue psyche in her head. When Rogue absorbs someone of very stong will, they undergo a battle of domination. Carol Danvers' psyche was absorbed by Rogue. Carol Danvers' psyche overcame Rogue's numerous times. That's why she joined the X-Men in the first place, so she could gain control over Carol. Professor Charles Xavier helped block Carol Danvers' control over Rogue with his telepathic powers. However when Carol Danvers broke free again, a year later. When Rogue absorbs someone, their mind is in her mind. They occupy the same space. Mystique, when absorbed, overcame Rogue's psyche and took possession of her body. As did Carol Danvers, the Brood Queen and countless others. If Rogue rendered Wonder Woman unconcious with her absorption powers, Wonder Woman's psyche would gain dominance and she would control Rogue's body. She'd then wait for Martian Manhunter to arrive and put her mind back into her body.
To Supessucks:
Yes, Mystique did overcome Rogue's mind. (you're a penchant for punishment aren't you) During the Joe Kelly arc, back in 1999, after Gambit was left behind in Antarctica. Rogue signed up for this faux miracle cure that would make her human. She almost went through the procedure if Mystique didn't stop her. Rogue absorbed Mystique. Mystique overcame her psyche, and went ballistic on the the people who made the cure in Rogue's body.
Rogue absorbed the Thing during an X-Men/FF4 crossover. Eventually the Thing gained dominance and began attacking the X-Men in Rogue's body
Carol Danvers as Binary would definitely beat WW. Unfortunately she lost her Binary powers and just has has enhanced strength, flight, and energy blasts. (She calls herself Warbird now) WW would kick her ass.
Bizzaro broke the lasso, Draco.
And I wasn't reffering to Rouge's personality, that Mystique or Thing could easily overcome, but Carol Danver's personality that dominates Rouge. The Carol Danvers personality does not and did not think that it was Carol in Rouge's body. Rouge believed it was her natural personality. Wonder Woman would also have a hell of alot of competition in Rouge's mind, as she has touched Wolverine, Sabertooth, Gambit, and plenty of other powerful personalities. (Wonder Woman's a pacifist. I doubt her personality is stronger than Wolverine's.) You have no proof of Wonder Woman's allegedly "Class 100" strength. I can prove Rouge's strength level. Ultimately, Rouge is much more likely to win than Wonder Woman, and I think most would agree.
To supessucks: I think you're referring to the "Trinity" series when Bizarro pummeled Wonder Woman. That's Elseworld story arc (i.e alternate dimension like Kingdom Come). In mainstream DC, it never happened and it never will. Doomsday couldn't break it, Superman couldn't break, even Darkseid couldn't break it. And Rogue is not anywhere as near as powerful as Bizarro.
The "competition" in Rogue's mind are just psyche residues from previous people she has absorbed. When Rogue absorbs someone, their consciousness enters her mind and proverbially shares the same brain as Rogue's consciousness. Rogue's past absorbees are under lock and key in her unconscious courtesy of Charles Xavier. Carol Danvers personality took control of Rogues body and even made her dress her in her old Ms. Marvel outfit. There was no "natural personality". Carol Danvers and Rogue were inhabiting the same body. Wonder Woman is a pacifist. But she is a Amazon warrior first. If she is left with no choice, and violence is the only option, then Diana unleashes a very temperamental personality. Those who know her best know she is extremely compassionate and peaceful, but those who know her better never forgets the fire that burns within. An Amazon warrior bred to kill and maim in dozen different languages since the day she was born. She knows warfare more than she knows peace. She has an incredible sense of willpower and would overcome Rogue's psyche.
Give it up, supessucks. You're backed into to a proverbial corner. I have refuted every argument you have given. You said that Wonder Woman wasn't granted powers by the gods. I proved she was. You said that the magic lasso is breakable. I proved it wasn't. You said Rogue could absorb Wonder Woman's powers. I proved she couldn't Ultimately, Wonder Woman would defeat Rogue. She's vastly superior in strength, speed, invulnerability, and fighting skills. Centuries of experience, an unbreakable lasso, a pair of unbreakable silver gauntlets, magically endowed armour. The Southern Belle would get kicked back to the swamp-ridden, redneck, Mississippi town she belongs in. Case closed.
Originally posted by Draco69
To Supessucks:Rogue joined the X-Men AFTER the Phoenix Saga. Jean was already dead and buried. Scott left the team to be a fisherman. And Storm got a mohawk. You got it confused with the cartoon or something.
Who said that Diana and Rogue were fighting in the Marvel Universe? Diana's been to different universes before and she still had her powers.
Juggernaut is mystical not godly. His power is his own. Diana's powers are godly. For example, Rogue could not absorb Loki because he was a god.
I got it from the hardcover WW Guide at Barnes & Noble. And a Wonder Woman Secret File comic back in 1998
Juggernaut claims to be a "god" the being cyttorak who gave juggernaut his powers has been claimed to be a "demon" or a "god."
His strength and duriblility is supernatural these are qualities of at least a "demi god"
Rogue takes this. Sorry scooter, but Juggernaut's power comes from the God Cyttorak, through the crimson gem. It IS god-given and Rouge has absorbed it.
The other personalities USED to be under lock and key. In recent times, the psyches of all the evil people Rogue has absorbed have escaped, and it's only by manifesting the personalities of people like her friends and heroes like Captain America to help that she's been able to lock them away. I seriously doubt Wonder Woman's mind could stand up tot he likes of Captain America and Wolverine.
Lets get down to physical abilities. Sure, Wonder Woman is stronger, but she has to use her bracelets to deflect BULLETS for craps sake! Rogue can fly while being hit with heavy artillery and rockets and still be smart mouthing the people shooting at her. On speed, I think they're the same with WW taking perhaps a small advantage. Fighting isn't as far apart as you think. Rogue could draw on the fighting styles of Psylocke or Wolverine or any other fighter she's touched. Plus, on her own, rogue isn't exactly a slouch at fighting either.
I'm not saying she has it easy, but Rogue CAN steal WW's powers temporarily and take more damage while doing so.
Originally posted by Khellendros
Rogue takes this. Sorry scooter, but Juggernaut's power comes from the God Cyttorak, through the crimson gem. It IS god-given and Rouge has absorbed it.The other personalities USED to be under lock and key. In recent times, the psyches of all the evil people Rogue has absorbed have escaped, and it's only by manifesting the personalities of people like her friends and heroes like Captain America to help that she's been able to lock them away. I seriously doubt Wonder Woman's mind could stand up tot he likes of Captain America and Wolverine.
Lets get down to physical abilities. Sure, Wonder Woman is stronger, but she has to use her bracelets to deflect BULLETS for craps sake! Rogue can fly while being hit with heavy artillery and rockets and still be smart mouthing the people shooting at her. On speed, I think they're the same with WW taking perhaps a small advantage. Fighting isn't as far apart as you think. Rogue could draw on the fighting styles of Psylocke or Wolverine or any other fighter she's touched. Plus, on her own, rogue isn't exactly a slouch at fighting either.
I'm not saying she has it easy, but Rogue CAN steal WW's powers temporarily and take more damage while doing so.
Good she needs to absorb it especialy if she fights juggernaut, reminds me of when juggernaut beat down rogue and colossus at a fraction of his strength, and didnt i just say it was given to him by cyttorak? hmmmm strange. (he is more a demon then a god juggernauts power is evil in nature, thats why he likes to blow up stuff 😉 )
WW has limited invulnerability.
Limited Invulnerability: Her resistance to injury is not quite as great as any of the above mentioned metahumans. She has withstood considerable bludgeoning damage in the form of hand to hand combat with metahuman opponents (such as Superman and Captain Marvel) and physical damage (as seen when she is knocked back through two multi-story office buildings and then buried beneath them). She seems more vulnerable to energy attacks but she deflects most ranged attacks when she can. She has considerable resistance to human weaponries, although there are inconsistancies in her ability to resist injury, the variances are probably due to discrepancies in observation. Perhaps her ability varies with some as for yet unknown condition that strengthens or weakens her in relationship to her Pantheon of patron dieties. Source www.
starnet-database.com
To Khellendros:
If you've read my threads, you'll know that Rogue can't absorb WW's powers by the argument I presented. (If you disagree, create a rebuttal). Rogue is nowhere near as fast as Wonder Woman. Rogue can fly at Mach 3. WW can move, think and act faster than the speed of sound. Rogue can't access anything (i.e Psylocke's fighting abilities or Wolverine's military experience) consciously without the "upgrade" Sage gave her. That since then has dissipated. Rogue's a good fighter with a half a decade of experience. Diana's an exceptional fighter with thousands of years of experience. Rogue can lift 50 to 75 tons max, Diana can lift an excess amount of 100 tons. The previous personalities are gone from Rogue's mind. This was mentioned during the last few issues of X-treme X-Men. There's nothing for Diana to up against if her conciousness is absorbed. If Mystique, the Brood Queen, or Carol Danvers could overwhelm Rogue and take control of her body. Then Wonder Woman mostly certainly could.
Draco, you are exaggerating again. Wonder Woman's speed, thought, nor her reaction time is faster than the speed of sound; her profile does not say so. If that were the case, she could dodge bullets, not block them. Niether have you disproved my arguement. AND FOR THE LAST TIME YOU HAVE NOT PROVEN THAT WONDER WOMAN HAS CLASS 100 STRENGTH.
Originally posted by supessucks
Draco, you are exaggerating again. Wonder Woman's speed, thought, nor her reaction time is faster than the speed of sound; her profile does not say so. If that were the case, she could dodge bullets, not block them. Niether have you disproved my arguement. AND FOR THE LAST TIME YOU HAVE NOT PROVEN THAT WONDER WOMAN HAS CLASS 100 STRENGTH.
dud have you ever read any WW comic
Originally posted by supessucks
Draco, you are exaggerating again. Wonder Woman's speed, thought, nor her reaction time is faster than the speed of sound; her profile does not say so. If that were the case, she could dodge bullets, not block them. Niether have you disproved my arguement. AND FOR THE LAST TIME YOU HAVE NOT PROVEN THAT WONDER WOMAN HAS CLASS 100 STRENGTH.
its funny that you say that her reaction isnt as great or she would dodge bullets yet it seems blocking them would be harder, and would need a better reaction time than to dodge them.
why would it matter if she was in 100 class rogue isnt in 100 class.
I didn't say her reaction wasn't great talon, I said it wasn't supersonic.
Blocking takes better reaction than dodging? I think it takes more speed and reaction to recognize an attack and move out of the way, than it does to block it. (By the way, She has those metal bracelets for blocking bullets, so it really isn't that hard.) Bullets wouldn't even harm Rouge.