Rogue vs Wonder Woman

BUT! X-treme Rouge is much stronger and faster than normal Rouge (though still not stronger or faster than Wonder Woman,) and could use any of her past absorbed powers. Draco, Sages gift has not dissapated, at least according to recent X-treme Comics.

As a matter of fact, Sage only recently gave her the ability.

Thor would kick Superman's ass, supremthor. And no incarnation of Hulk would beat the Kryptonian. Ever.

I do not think every marvel character could beat every DC character. Thor could fry Superman using his magic. But Superman, Wonder Woman, or Martian Manhunter could possibly beat Hulk.

However, Silver Surfer could beat most of the Justice League.

To Supessucks:

Who I am kidding? I don’t give up

This post is a response to WW’s strength level and Superspeed limit.

Superspeed: This is what the profile specifically says in regard to her superspeed.

From WW profile at starnet-database.com:

Wonder Woman possesses reflex abilities similar to lower-level speedsters such as Jesse Quick and Max Mercury, somewhere in the range of 8 to 20 times normal human reflexes with concentration. She, however, does not maintain her enhanced speed awareness due to the temporal difficulties such thinking causes her. She seems able to keep up with Jesse Quick, referencing her patron deity of speed and messenger of the gods, Hermes as the source of her powers.

It is unknown how long she can maintain a speedster’s average pace (which we clock at approximately 125 mph (2.08 miles/second) to 200 mph (3.3 mile/sec) inner-city and 225 mph (3.75 miles/sec) to 500 mph (8.3 miles/sec) over land outside of cities). Since Wonder Woman lacks the speed aura of true speedsters, the environmental effects/disruptions that she causes probably prevent her from utilizing superspeed mobility as a common mode of travel.

Wonder Woman is capable of unassisted flight through an as yet unknown but probably magical means. She has been clocked at Mach 3 (2,100 mph, 35 miles per second) in flight and can be presumed to be much faster if she wanted to be. No reliable ceiling is known but atmospheric disturbances occur at speeds greater than Mach 10 (7,000 mph, 116 miles/sec) so that is probably her limit in atmosphere as well.

Okay, we now have the data. You’ve consistently said that Diana is not faster than the speed of sound. The information above discredits this notion. The above source does not say that Diana CAN’T travel at the speed of sound, on foot, but why it would be unwise to travel beyond 500 mph. Speedsters like the Flash are connected to the Speed Force. They have an aura that protects the environment around them from being altered by their immense speed. That’s why Wally doesn’t create a massive hurricane every time he breaks the sound barrier. Diana is not connected to the Speed Force. She lacks a speedsters’ aura. If she were to breach the sound barrier on terra firma, the results would be disastrous to the surrounding area. If it were in a populated area, she would blow out every window on the street and cause millions of dollars in property damage. That’s why she rarely utilizes it unless she has to. Flight is another aspect. The source above plainly states that Diana can fly at Mach 3 and could fly much faster if she wanted to (i.e. Mach 10). The reason she doesn’t is because flying at that speed would cause massive atmospheric disturbances. The above also mentions Jesse Quick. When Diana teamed up with Jesse Quick, She was able to keep up with Jesse Quick. (Wonder Woman Plus Jesse Quick #1 [1996]: Written by Christopher Priest; art and cover by Mike Collins and Tom Palmer.) How fast is Jesse Quick? By speaking the mantra, ‘3x2(9YZ) 4A’, Jesse can accelerate to roughly half-lightspeed and can fly.
In another portion of starnet-database.com, there is section called the “analyses files.” When you open the “Ratings” tab, you’ll see the super speed segment. It shows who the fastest heroes are in the DC Universe. There are as followed:

Superspeed/Reflexes

Flash
Superman
Martian Manhunter
Wonder Woman

The Flash can accelerate past lightspeed. Superman cannot travel at lightspeed, but is just under it, MM can not travel lightspeed but is just under Superman’s limit, and Wonder Woman cannot travel at lightspeed but is just under MM’s limit. Light speed equals 299,792,458 meters/second (186,000 miles/second). The speed of sound is at approximately 343 m/s. (750 miles per hour) .We know that she can obviously fly faster than the speed of sound. Her max speed on terra firma is 500 miles per hour. Only 251 miles per hour before breaching the sound barrier. Not by choice or limitation, but because if she exceeds the speed of sound on land, the proverbial sh@# will hit the fan for the area around her. Thus from all this we can deduce that Diana is faster the speed of sound.

Superstrength:

First, I’m going to refer to the spacecraft you’ve been hearing so much about. During the Grant Morrison arc on the JLA, just after the Martian storyline, we see the very first appearance of the fallen Angel Zauriel. During the battle with the Angels we see a fantastically huge airship hovering over the city (Central City, I believe). Zauriel calls this a war chariot for the angels trying to overthrow God. Wonder Woman breaks into the airship and disables the main computer. Unfortunately the ship begins to fall and threatens to destroy the entire city. Wonder Woman takes it upon herself (she was the one who made fall in the first place) to support the entire ship until the other Justice League members find a way to transport it back to heaven. This angel war chariot was the BIGGER than the city itself. Diana supported this humongous ship until Wally made it go away. It must have weighed an incredible amount of tons.

From the same website, at the “Ratings” tap, we can see that Wonder Woman is classified as “B”. B stands for a person who can lift UP TO 100 tons. This is debatable with the previous feat in mind, but I’m going to go out a limb, and say this is accurate.

P.S. Sage's upgrade to Rogue is gone. She lost that potential when she was almost killed by Vargas. The X-treme X-Men comic ended. Rogue lived a normal life with Gambit for awhile, because her powers were overexterted and she lost them. In Uncanny X-Men Rogue now only has the power of absorption. She lost all of her absorbed personalities and powers. She no longer has superhuman strength or flight.

And chill out supremthor and supessucks. It's just a comic book, for christ's sake!

Well, God Damn.

You have presented a very strong argument Draco. It has been proven to me that Wonder Woman is stronger, faster, a better fighter, and smarter than Rouge. However, if Wonder Woman was to hit Rouge, say in the face, with her bare fist, she would be instantaneously be robbed of her power for at least one minute. If Wonder Woman is anywhere near as powerful as you claim she is, Rouge endowed with all of Wonder Woman's knowledge and abilities in addition to her own strength, would be able to beat Wonder Woman and anyone else in the Justice League.

Being that the spacecraft was not from earth, but from heaven, and may not be composed of earthly elements, the weight of the spacecraft is incalculable.

Well all this time, I've been talking about Rouge of the X-Men. (I didn't know about X-treme Rouge's abilities). It would only be fair if Rouge and Wonder Woman were both at optimal power levels, without weapons (except for WW's Bracelets and Lasso of course.)

The ultimate fact is that it's indeterminable as to whether Rogue can or can not absorb Diana's power. I've given a pretty strong thesis as to why she cannot. (i.e. see previous threads). Rogue's been unable to absorb magical beings, aliens and other unusual people in the past, so this bolsters my argument. But we can never truly know whether it would happen or not, unless they meet in a crossover or something. It's all up in the air.

Chuck Austen made Rogue into a wimp unfortunately.

Rouge has absorbed Juggernaut's power before, but as you said, we can never truly know. If Rouge could take her power she would almost be insured victory, If she couldn't she would almost certainly lose.

Wonder Woman out-classes Rouge. Her only hope is to take Wonder Woman's ability. Imagine that, Rouge with Wonder Woman's abilities, She'd kick almost anyone's ass.

Hm I'm going to butt in and have to say that Rogue will easily kick WW ass in a second! Rogue only has to touch her skin and BOOM! she wins...besides Rogue has the strength of Marvel Women..(comic book gotta love them) therefore the same strength....hmmm it'll be a kick ass girl fight...without the claws would be very fun yep yep but nonetheless my money is on Rogue

I leave for a few minutes and this is what happens? Wow...that was entertaining and very fact finding.

Kudos to Drac and Supessecks for putting up a great debate w/o almost getting personal. 😉

I think she could suck WW powers dry and the lasso can be broken...but it takes like a super strong or super magical means I think

Thank you, Bobby D.

x-treme x-men is in the normal marvel universe.
she temporarily had her powers boosted but thats not the point.
ultimate x-men is a different universe.
KAY! dudes and girls.

The ultimate Rogue is like the Rogue in the movies..I refer to her as"Rogue Lite"