Molecule Man V's Living Tribunal
During the Secret wars Molecule Man learned he could control all molecules and not just, as he had previously believed, inorganic
The Tribunal is considered the mack daddy of the MU but Galactus and Beyonder powered Doom told MM he was second in power only to himself
so who's it gonna be?
I hate LT fan boys the Living Tribunal pussed out of a fight with korvac he litarally RAN like a wimp and when he confronted the beyonder he just backed down (beyonder from secret wars) if we are discussing the molecular man from secret wars then the LT would have his ass handed to him oh and Korvac at full power and the time twisters can kick his ass too.
Killall doesnt know much about comics he thinks that Adam Warlock and Death were spared by Thanos with THOTU he also belives that one celestial is more powerful then Galactus. He also doesnt read much about the Beyonder in secret wars and he doesnt do much research on anything since entitites that exist outside of the mulitiverse can at least get away from the LT and other entities do have sufficient power to defeat the LT such as the time twisters who can distroy the entire time line from the end of time to the very beginning. That means they would distroy the LT before he was even born they have the ability to age anyone into dust or make them younger to the point of not existing.
K3VILThe Living Tribunal is only under TOAA the entity that is the owner of the entire Marvel Universe and other multiverses.The Living Tribunal can simply wipe out of existence MM or transform him into a rabbit, then teleport him into a supernova, resurecct him and kill him again just for the fun.
How nice that you've read his bio...but it still doesn't make it so.
LT says he serves a power that dwarfs Warlock w/ the IG. True, but it doesn't make he second in the MU. 'Cause for LT to rule that the gems not work in unison, he needed Warlock to relinquish the IG in the first place. If LT could've done it with asking Warlock, he would've, yet he didn't. He asked instead. Sure if they struggled over it, LT would eventually come out on top - but it would still be a struggle. And this is all stated in Infinity Watch #1. LT ain't second; it hasn't proven that he is; and bios prove squat.
LT wins; he's not more powerful than the originally intended Beyonder.
If it's the Molecule Man from Secret Wars, he'd get squashed I think. He needed Doom's reassurance and even during the end of the series it didn't look as though he was that confident using his powers...
Of course, the LT could also lose if he choses to make the sun go nova in order to kill the Molecule Man.
Originally posted by Mider
Killall doesnt know much about comics he thinks that Adam Warlock and Death were spared by Thanos with THOTU
they were... he could have dispatched both of them also. they acknowledged this, why cant you????? lol...
Originally posted by Mider
he also belives that one celestial is more powerful then Galactus.
1 celestial IS more powerful than galactus...
Originally posted by Mider
He also doesnt read much about the Beyonder in secret wars and he doesnt do much research on anything since entitites that exist outside of the mulitiverse
none of them exist outside the multi-verse of marvel comics. or else they wouldnt be IN marvel comics. only LT exists outside the multi-verse, because he watchs over it.
Originally posted by Mider
can at least get away from the LT and other entities do have sufficient power to defeat the LT such as the time twisters who can distroy the entire time line from the end of time to the very beginning.
they can destroy time, in one universe. not all. if there are such characters... just like eternity -could- kill 1 universe. but he couldnt travel from universe to universe killing other universes.
Originally posted by Mider
That means they would distroy the LT before he was even born
lol, no...
Originally posted by Mider
they have the ability to age anyone into dust or make them younger to the point of not existing.
can you show me these characters, and that they have power to work on all realities consecutively???? that they can travel from universe to universe and have power in each and every one of them???? lol, i seriously doubt you can 😉
Originally posted by Beyonder
LT says he serves a power that dwarfs Warlock w/ the IG. True, but it doesn't make he second in the MU.
how does it not make him second???? lol... LT snapped his fingers and haulted the power of the infinity gauntlet. if you are talking about the dialogue when adam warlock said that it was an assertion that LT had yet to prove.... well LT did prove it. he can control time space.... and everything that the infintiy gauntlet can, but he can do so between all universes...... not just in 1 universe.
Originally posted by Beyonder
'Cause for LT to rule that the gems not work in unison, he needed Warlock to relinquish the IG in the first place. If LT could've done it with asking Warlock, he would've, yet he didn't.
he could have done it. he could have stopped the entire infinity gauntlet saga from even happening, but he said it was of natural order for it to exist. therefor he did NOT interfere. but he COULD have.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Sure if they struggled over it, LT would eventually come out on top - but it would still be a struggle.
the struggle would last long enough for LT to think adam warlock to not have the infintiy gauntlet. then the "struggle" would be over.
And this is all stated in Infinity Watch #1. LT ain't second; it hasn't proven that he is; and bios prove squat.
Originally posted by Beyonder
LT wins; he's not more powerful than the originally intended Beyonder.
the original beyonder, is the same beyonder after the fact. it was mere illusions 😉 LT dwarfs them all in power.
A building block is a connective structure. Since as the tribunal himself stated, he is in service to a master, he falls under some of the power of the molecual man.
So does his boss. The servent is no greater than the master.
Personally me and mine don't have a master, thank God.
Anyhow, if you don't understand the ser. master thing,don't worry. Just think of it as a master's bluff thing.
Therefore, further, the molecual man may well be immune to most of what they can throw at him. The impossible may occur and he would feel some real pain and be stuck with it, but the cost to trib. and oaia would be way to great.
Originally posted by KillAll
[B]how does it not make him second???? lol... LT snapped his fingers and haulted the power of the infinity gauntlet. if you are talking about the dialogue when adam warlock said that it was an assertion that LT had yet to prove.... well LT did prove it. he can control time space.... and everything that the infintiy gauntlet can, but he can do so between all universes...... not just in 1 universe.
And yet he couldn't snap his fingers and remove the Gauntlet from Warlock. He had to reason with Warlock. He didn't ask Warlock to stop when Warlock was attacking Eternity, he snapped his fingers and restored order. But that only proved that he can interfere with an attack, it doesn't mean LT could've snapped his fingers and Warlock would lose the Gauntlet in an instant.
I'm not arguing that LT isn't stronger than the IG, but it wasn't like his mere wish could've taken the IG out of Warlock's hand. He needed Warlock's approval to no fight back for him to take the Gauntlet.
Now if LT wanted to take it by force, it wouldn't be just a mere thought but a struggle for the Gauntlet, one that LT would EVENTUALLY win - it'd still be a struggle no less. One that would result in the destruction of the universe ask LT himself stated to Warlock.
he could have done it. he could have stopped the entire infinity gauntlet saga from even happening, but he said it was of natural order for it to exist. therefor he did NOT interfere. but he COULD have.
He could've interfered and fought Thanos for the IG, but it wouldn't be just with a thought and Thanos would lose the Gauntlet.
the struggle would last long enough for LT to think adam warlock to not have the infintiy gauntlet. then the "struggle" would be over.
And what evidence do you have of such? If he could've done such a feat, then why reason with Warlock instead of just thinking of Warlock not having the IG. What's with the statement of "a struggle that would no doubt end the universe" from LT?
Warlock can do almost anything LT could do. LT just has more power behind him, but this doesn't mean LT can just do anything with a mere whim to an IG weilder.
And this is all stated in Infinity Watch #1. LT ain't second; it hasn't proven that he is; and bios prove squat.
LT says he SERVES a power that dwarfs Warlock's own, not that he IS a power that dwarfs Warlock's own. He's more powerful than the IG, but dwarfing would be a bit much.
the original beyonder, is the same beyonder after the fact. it was mere illusions 😉 LT dwarfs them all in power.
Original Beyonder meaning as he was ORIGINALLY INTENDED in SW I & II. In those, he was the supreme being; LT had nothing on him.
What you speak of about ILLUSIONS and such happened way after SW I & II and was the RECKON of the Beyonder character. That reckon was done cause Marvel didn't want a God-like being in it's universe.
Thus: ILLUSION = RECKON
ORIGINAL = BEFORE RECKON
again take note that the entire creation of the Universe didnt disturbe the beyonder but owen reeses assumption of power was enough to bring awareness to him.
you guys always tend to overestimate the power and underestimate the character. if Reese wanted to he could wipe out every molecuel in the universe, including his own and still exist