Originally posted by dean7879
your not goin to war yet....who knows what bush has up his sleave
u just dont know whats around the corner
http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/16/hersh.iran/
I'm certainly not taking the word of journalist with no political/military experience. His opinion is not fact.
Originally posted by Euripides
And your proof is? This whole "US went to war for oil" is completely ridiculous. We've spent over 3 TRILLION dollars on this war. Why the hell would we waste that amount of money for something that's not even close to that amount!
errm cos the usa is running out of oil maybe
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Euripides I think When people talk about america goingthere for the oil they are also talking about the petro dollars issue.
*Sigh* The effect of an OPEC switch to the euro would be that oil-consuming nations would have to flush dollars out of their (central bank) reserve funds and replace these with euros. The dollar would crash anywhere from 20-40% in value and the consequences would be those one could expect from any currency collapse and massive inflation (think Argentina currency crisis, for example). You'd have foreign funds stream out of the U.S. stock markets and dollar denominated assets, there'd surely be a run on the banks much like the 1930s, the current account deficit would become unserviceable, the budget deficit would go into default, and so on. Your basic 3rd world economic crisis scenario.
Originally posted by silver_tears
Almost but not quite ✅
And I'm actually canadian, right near the border of New york thank you 🙄
I love these sub-arguments. 😛
Anyway....you have proclaimed the downfall of America to have already happened. If you lived near the border of Michigan near, say Detroit, I could see why you might say that. Hell, if I lived near the Amazon River I'd say South America was pretty much a toilet.
Maybe your problem is what you have seen of Buffalo through visits, Washington D.C. from what you have seen on the news, and Hollywood from the movies.
Well, I can't think of any other thing you could form a reference off of so I would like to congratulate you on discovering about 0.001% of what America is about!
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Then please tell me what you feel the war in Iraq was all about Euri?
Terrorism. That's what is has always been about. The Middle East has not changed for 800 years. The thought of a democracy in the Middle East is inconceivable. Now Iraq and Afghanistan are democracies. The Middle East leaders don't like democracy because it will take power away from them. Believe it or not the Iraq War is successful and is working. Sudan, Syria, and numerous other countries have already discussed negotiations with the US. This isn't just about Iraq. It's about everything. Russia, France, the Phillipines, China. It's all connected. The picture is much bigger than it seems. It's just that people don't seek out information that is not in the media. The media distorts things. The story is already written. They leave out certain facts just for ratings.
For some strange reason people are incredibly impatient. They expect success and peace instantly. A few soldiers die in a war and people stupidly believe that the war is a failure. Soldiers die in wars. It's always been that way.
Wait and see. It's already starting to to get better. Iraq is a democracy. Afghanistan is a democracy. Saddam Hussein is in custody. We have been nothing but successful.
Originally posted by finti
Bush cant afford a second front, and those who thinks Iran would be apushover like Iraq is greatly mistaken. Iran aint as worn down military as Iraq was before the allied forces attacked.
We are NOT going to war with Iran. Iran is already in negotiations with the US. They've already allowed USA inspectors in their country. They folded. So did Syria and Sudan.
Originally posted by botankus
I love these sub-arguments. 😛Anyway....you have proclaimed the downfall of America to have already happened. If you lived near the border of Michigan near, say Detroit, I could see why you might say that. Hell, if I lived near the Amazon River I'd say South America was pretty much a toilet.
Maybe your problem is what you have seen of Buffalo through visits, Washington D.C. from what you have seen on the news, and Hollywood from the movies.
Well, I can't think of any other thing you could form a reference off of so I would like to congratulate you on discovering about 0.001% of what America is about!
I don't live near those, no, I have been however to New York, New Jersey, Buffalo, and surrounding areas, nothing too impressive, and yes I mean the rich part of New York, not the slums.
And I want to congratulate you on assuming ✅ Way to go! 👆
Considering my statement is more so about the fact what exactly is America holding on to now?
They are no longer the leading force in technology, medicine, automobiles, nothing really...
And ever since the war happened, their reputation keeps sliding..
So thanks again for that 👆
It's been a pleasure, maybe next time you can call me a terrorist since I'm so unpatriotic to a country I live beside ✅
Originally posted by dean7879
errm cos the usa is running out of oil maybe
the USA running out of oil? Iraq will give us all the oil we need.. so now what is your reason for trying to compel everyone to belive that Bush will be invading Iraq?
edit: I highly doubt an invasion will happen within the next 2 years.. and if it does so be it.. there will be a logical reason why we would invade Iran.. if not bush wont do it. He isnt as stupid as you all think.
Originally posted by EuripidesTerrorism. That's what is has always been about. The Middle East has not changed for 800 years. The thought of a democracy in the Middle East is inconceivable. Now Iraq and Afghanistan are democracies. The Middle East leaders don't like democracy because it will take power away from them. Believe it or not the Iraq War is successful and is working. Sudan, Syria, and numerous other countries have already discussed negotiations with the US. This isn't just about Iraq. It's about everything. Russia, France, the Phillipines, China. It's all connected. The picture is much bigger than it seems. It's just that people don't seek out information that is not in the media. The media distorts things. The story is already written. They leave out certain facts just for ratings.
OK. sorry, you are far more niave than I thought if you believe that.
Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism, Al Queda was persona non grada with Sadam because he wanted nothing to do with fundamental islamic beliefs. ALso don't declare Iraq as a democracy and a success yet, that's a little of putting the cart before the horse.
There were also no WMD's and no threat. Now that that has been all proven, there has been a shift in saying that this war was all about installing a democracy.
I would also like to hear your thoughts on Russia, France, the Phillipines and China. I'm very interested how you came about to believe these theories of yours.