I for one am happy it was added into the extended edition, cause it explains why Gandalf does not have his staff when they go to the black gate, cause the witch king destroys his staff. I was wondering what had happened to it when i first saw the movie in the theater, and then when i saw the extened edition i was like oooo that's why. It had been a while since i read the book.
Originally posted by Jaro
I found proof that Gandalf himself said he couldn't defeat the Witch-King!
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
Chapter IV: The Siege of Gondor Pg. 800-801 (One volume edition)
'Is Faramir come?' he asked.
'No,' said Gandalf. 'But he still lived when I left him. Yet he is resolved to stay with the reargurad, lest the retreat over the Pelennor become a rout. He may, perhaps, hold his men together long enough, but I doubt it. He is pitted against a foe too great. For one has come that I feared.'
'Not - the Dark Lord?' cried Pippin, forgetting his place in his terror.
Denethor laughed bitterly. 'Nay, not yet, Master Peregrin! He will not come save only to triumph over me when all is won. He uses others as his weapons. So do all great lords, if they are wise, Master Halfling. Or why should I sit here in my tower and think, and watch, and wair, spending even my sons? For I can still wield a brand.'
He stood up and cast opened his long black cloak, and behold! he was clad in mail beneath, and grit with a long sword, great-hilted in a sheath of black and silver. 'Thus have I walked, and thus now for many years have I slept,' he said, 'lest we age the body should grow soft and timid.'
'Yet now under the Lord of Barad-dur the most fell of all his captains is already master of your outer walls' said Gandalf. 'King of Angmar long ago, Sorcerer, Ringwraith, Lord of the Nazgul, a spear of terror in the hand of Sauron, shadow of despair.'
'Then, Mithrandir, you had a foe to match you,' Said Denethor. 'For myself, I have long known who is chief captain of the hosts of the Dark Tower. Is this all that you have returned to say? Or cab it be that you have withdrawn because you are overmatched?'
Pippin trembled, fearing that Gandalf would be stung to sudden wrath, but his fear was needless. 'It might be so,' Gandalf answered softly. 'But our trial of strength is not yet come. And if words spoken of old be true blah, blah, blah...
(How do you put a ^ over words like you should for Nazgul?)
I quit trying to talk to you guys fans of the Nazgûl, i have already put here so much proves of Gandalf being stronger then the Nazgûl and you guys simply reply with nonsense proves, I know he is strong, but ther is no prove of he being stronger than gandalf (in the book). I know he is strong but the book itself has much more that tells he is not stronger then gandalf, it just say that he is a match for gandalf but not stronger.
I wont try to prove anything to you guys anymore, ive put many things here just go back and read then. I will now search for a post that likes gandalf.
Oh, and remember what the book 2 tell us: Gandalf cant be hurt by any power on earth. You guys dind say a thing about this did you? Well, live with that! Good Bye!
Originally posted by Celestial
Why do people have a false sense of Gandalf's power? It says it in the book between Denethor and Gandalf. Gandalf said himself the Witch-King was stronger
"Gandalf: Dangerous, And so am I, very dangerous: more dangerous than anything you will ever meet."
also here's another quote....
"The Dark Lord has Nine. But we have One, mightier then they are: the White Rider. He has passed through the fire and the abyss, and they shall fear him."
If Gandalf would have fought the Witch King Gandalf would have totally ahniliated him.
Originally posted by The Inkeeper
disapointing? He had a big flaming sword 😕
He tells Gandalf hes going to kill him!Gandalf didnt fight him because 'no man can kill him' and as far as i can tell, Gandafl is a man. Plus, he didnt have one of those sexy noldor swords.
If he killed wiki, theoden would live, the charge wouldnt be as dramatic, wouldnt be as effective on the audience and would overall be disapointing.
Plus- Viggo is droolio
is gandalf a man or saruman or *BAD SPELLING APROCHING* radaghast,
there miar arent they? istari?? but thats beside the piont, K3VIL would you fight someone whose sword was on fire?? me thinks not 😎
I just looked, nowhere does it say that. Only thing it says about Gandalf and Weathertop that I've found is this:
'I think now,' said Strider, 'that the enemy has been watching this place for some days. If Gandalf ever came here, then he must have been forced to ride away, and he will not return. In any case we are in great peril here after dark, since the attack of last night, and we can hardly meet greater danger wherever we go.'
This is on page 194 of my copy of LOTR, which is the single-edition paperback.
Found this, but it doesn't prove anything to your point...
'I galloped to Weathertop like a gale, and I reached it before sundown on my second day from Bree - and they were there before me. They drew away from me, for they felt the coming of my anger and they dared not face it while the Sun was in the sky. But they closed round at night, and I was besieged on the hell-top, in the old ring of Amon Sul. I was hard put to it indeed: such light and flame cannot have been seen on Weathertop since the war-beacons of old.
At sunrise I escaped and felt towards the north. I could not hope to do more. It was impossible to find you, Frodo, in the wilderness, and it would have been folly to try with all the Nine at my heels. So I had to trust to Aragorn. But I hoped to draw some of them off, and yet reach Rivendell ahead of you and send out help. Four Riders did indeed follow me, but they turned back after a while and made for the Ford, it seems. That helped a litle, for there were only five, not nine, when your camp was attacked.' (pp 257-258)
Just says Gandalf fought them, not how many of them.
Re: Why Gandalf didn't fight the Witch King
Originally posted by K3VIL
In the book if i'm right Gandalf the White fought against the Witch King, and in the ROTK they just use him as a traffic light, hitting with a little light the Nazguls, and then fighting against the army of Mordor, but he doesn't use his magic powers.It was wrong from my personal opinion, also the fight with the Witch King could have to be most spectacular except for the defeat of Sauron.P.S. Is it my impression or Viggo Mortensen have a facial espression of someone who has been hittend in the OO and is feeling pain for all the duration of the movie when he's not fighting?
Why? Cuz Gandalf is b!tch. Thats why.
Originally posted by Lana
Found this, but it doesn't prove anything to your point...'I galloped to Weathertop like a gale, and I reached it before sundown on my second day from Bree - and they were there before me. They drew away from me, for they felt the coming of my anger and they dared not face it while the Sun was in the sky. But they closed round at night, and I was besieged on the hell-top, in the old ring of Amon Sul. I was hard put to it indeed: such light and flame cannot have been seen on Weathertop since the war-beacons of old.
At sunrise I escaped and felt towards the north. I could not hope to do more. It was impossible to find you, Frodo, in the wilderness, and it would have been folly to try with all the Nine at my heels. So I had to trust to Aragorn. But I hoped to draw some of them off, and yet reach Rivendell ahead of you and send out help. Four Riders did indeed follow me, but they turned back after a while and made for the Ford, it seems. That helped a litle, for there were only five, not nine, when your camp was attacked.' (pp 257-258)Just says Gandalf fought them, not how many of them.
Where its say "all Nine at my heels" gives a big clue.
But thanks for looking that up for me, I knew it was in there some where.
Its clear to me that we all have are Tolkien hero's. Just respect others and read the books, stay with the facts. oh and i would say what wiki would not stand a chance. (i know the hobbits blade was a critical strike , but Eowen's sword killed him so? well blah is what i think 😖 ) oh BTW Golllum says they cant be killed. makes me mad 🙁
Originally posted by Lana
Found this, but it doesn't prove anything to your point...'I galloped to Weathertop like a gale, and I reached it before sundown on my second day from Bree - and they were there before me. They drew away from me, for they felt the coming of my anger and they dared not face it while the Sun was in the sky. But they closed round at night, and I was besieged on the hell-top, in the old ring of Amon Sul. I was hard put to it indeed: such light and flame cannot have been seen on Weathertop since the war-beacons of old.
At sunrise I escaped and felt towards the north. I could not hope to do more. It was impossible to find you, Frodo, in the wilderness, and it would have been folly to try with all the Nine at my heels. So I had to trust to Aragorn. But I hoped to draw some of them off, and yet reach Rivendell ahead of you and send out help. Four Riders did indeed follow me, but they turned back after a while and made for the Ford, it seems. That helped a litle, for there were only five, not nine, when your camp was attacked.' (pp 257-258)Just says Gandalf fought them, not how many of them.
Exactly. In fact, it precisely makes out that Gandalf a. did not and b COULD not have stood and fought with the 9. They did not approach him at the first meeting because it was not night.
Gandalf did NOT fight the nine Nazgul at any point. He warded them off and then ran like hell.
Gandalf did not even try to attack the four following him. It's worth noting, by contrast, that Glorfindel DID go on the offensive against the Nazgul when he found them.
Originally posted by Celestial
It never says Gandalf fought them. He just said they gave chase to him and that's all.
It said they besieged him, I took that as they attacked and he fought until he could run...but it has been two years since I've last read LOTR so I could have simply misread that, taking it out of context like I did.