Ego vs Mogo

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Oh. That reminds me of the time Eternity lay catatonic, and then that one true abstract destroyed the thing holding not only Eternity catatonic, but it also entrapped Infinity within Eternity.

Galactus lay dying because he couldn't digest his food. See the difference?

Also Galactus freeing Eternity was all part of Magus' larger plan to get him to tell the LT to reverse his verdict on the Infinity Gems. If Magus wanted Eternity to stay catatonic, he would have stayed catatonic and Galactus wouldn't have done jack.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Like I said, he was weakened then.

Originally posted by zopzop
Eternity lay catatonic because a universal level reality warper KHTFO.

Galactus lay dying because he couldn't digest his food. See the difference?

Also Galactus freeing Eternity was all part of Magus' larger plan to get him to tell the LT to reverse his verdict on the Infinity Gems. If Magus wanted Eternity to stay catatonic, he would have stayed catatonic and Galactus wouldn't have done jack.

Right after he ate them Eternity came and thanked Galactus because the death of him would have meant the destruction of Eternity. So... that.

Not sure you want to play the lowball game though in defense of Eternity...

I'll tell you who didn't free Eternity... Order and Chaos.

So you're saying that something that is actively holding Infinity trapped, and holding Eternity catatonic was only broken by Galactus because Magus dropped its power or something?
Proof that he made it weaker or whatever it is that you're alluding to?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Because they kept reforming because of another abstract in Death. Which is funny considering Grandmaster on his own sneak attacked Death and had her at his mercy while using her power.

And no one claimed Death or any other abstract are super smart or unbeatable. They represent concepts and they don't bleed, drool, sweat, etc... (exception to this being the In-betweener who is both God/Man, Life/Death, etc... ) unlike Galactus.

Right after he ate them Eternity came and thanked Galactus because the death of him would have meant the destruction of Eternity. So... that.

Not sure you want to play the lowball game though in defense of Eternity...

I'll tell you who didn't free Eternity... Order and Chaos.

So you're saying that something that is actively holding Infinity trapped, and holding Eternity catatonic was only broken by Galactus because Magus dropped its power or something?
Proof that he made it weaker or whatever it is that you're alluding to?

Those 5 CCUs put Eternity/Infinity into a coma, was merging two universes together, AND was concealing himself from all the great powers. He was safely beyond Eternity in power and hence Eternity getting pwned by him is no low showing at all.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Galactus' physical body is only essential to him when he's weak enough. In his true form he transcends it:

http://i.imgur.com/j1nJiQW.jpg

this shows that galactus doesn't have a true form, so what? where does it state that he is an abstract being??

the quasar scan which i already posted is confirmed by galactus' 2005 bio:

http://i.imgur.com/IP8PsrZ.jpg?1

clear as day.

tyrant makes a planet-fed galactus bleed, silver surfer #109 (3rd series)

http://i.imgur.com/4Kw4es5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Oom0JAa.jpg

i could go on with the evidence, but that should do it.

Originally posted by zopzop

Yup a TRUE Abstract kept them from dying because she willed it. [/B]

Can Eternity do that, can Infinity?

Well, anyway, here's TRUE abstract saying that Galactus' role is possibly more important than hers:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Importance/FantasticFour257-05.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
And no one claimed Death or any other abstract are super smart or unbeatable. They represent concepts and they don't bleed, drool, sweat, etc... (exception to this being the In-betweener who is both God/Man, Life/Death, etc... ) unlike Galactus. [/B]

The point skipped over your entire face.

Grandmaster has enough power in him before he was immortal to defeat Death and have her at his mercy (although it was a sneak attack).

Grandmaster was inside Galactus along with a few others attacking Galactus from the inside, and it took them 7 issues to not kill Galactus, who got up instantly and fought the "Abstract" in In-Betweener to a stalemate.

Fancy you bring up Death, Eternity, Order, Chaos, and In-Betweener though.
Guess who gets lumped in with them?
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Importance/FFANN023_65.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Importance/FFANN023_66.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop

Galactus was destroyed during Infinity War (even though he reformed later because Dr. Strange ran interference for him) and nothing happened to the universe or Eternity. [/B]

But, anyway, he was instantly revived and many universes away from 616.

Originally posted by zopzop

Any power capable of doing that to Eternity would ROFLstomp Order and Chaos, Galactus, Death, etc.. [/B]

Originally posted by zopzop
No, it was stated that Magus' whole plan was to create a crisis using the 5 CCUs that would require the IG to undo. He planed to use Galactus and crew to free Eternity (who the Magus imprisoned)so that he would ask the LT to reverse his ruling on the IG, which is what he was after all along. Magus hid all this from the great powers by using the majority of the 5 CCUs power to conceal himself from them.

Those 5 CCUs put Eternity/Infinity into a coma, was merging two universes together, AND was concealing himself from all the great powers. He was safely beyond Eternity in power and hence Eternity getting pwned by him is no low showing at all. [/B]

OK. Then post scans that state Magus lowered his hold on Eternity then.

It might have been his plan. However, nowhere is it even alluded to that whatever was holding Eternity catatonic was weakened just so his plan could come into fruition. It was the same as it was when it was created. Galactus just said I don't care and then he blasted the shit out of it.

Without Galactus, they would have been trapped 'forever'. Wasn't that your entire point that Galactus wasn't an abstract, because he needed Master Order and Lord Chaos' help?
How quickly the roles reverse.

Originally posted by operator616
this shows that galactus doesn't have a true form, so what? where does it state that he is an abstract being??

the quasar scan which i already posted is confirmed by galactus' 2005 bio:

http://i.imgur.com/IP8PsrZ.jpg?1

clear as day.

tyrant makes a planet-fed galactus bleed, silver surfer #109 (3rd series)

http://i.imgur.com/4Kw4es5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Oom0JAa.jpg

i could go on with the evidence, but that should do it.

http://i40.tinypic.com/jtscuo.jpg

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Are you being purposefully stupid right now? The TRUE abstract who's power is over death kept them alive because she barred them from her realm?

Can Eternity do that, can Infinity?

Well, anyway, here's TRUE abstract saying that Galactus' role is possibly more important than hers:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Importance/FantasticFour257-05.jpg
Possibly? We saw how that was FALSE when Death put her foot down and crushed the Cancerverse invasion force while Galactus couldn't even handle the GE. We saw what happened when Beyonder was about to obliterate Death, the entire cosmic pantheon rode to her defense (even though they couldn't stop Beyonder anyway).

The point skipped over your entire face.

Grandmaster has enough power in him before he was immortal to defeat Death and have her at his mercy (although it was a sneak attack).

Grandmaster was inside Galactus along with a few others attacking Galactus from the inside, and it took them 7 issues to not kill Galactus, who got up instantly and fought the "Abstract" in In-Betweener to a stalemate.

He "got up" after Order/Chaos saved his ass from death. He still couldn't beat the IB. Or are you forgetting Surfer/Nova/the FF/Elders with their Gems jumping in to save Galactus?

Fancy you bring up Death, Eternity, Order, Chaos, and In-Betweener though.
Guess who gets lumped in with them?
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Importance/FFANN023_65.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Importance/FFANN023_66.jpg

Galactus reformed from atoms there...

But, anyway, he was instantly revived and many universes away from 616.

Irrelevant. No one's claiming Galactus is equal in power to Eternity. Eternity however, has absolutely garbage feats that shouldn't happen to an abstract easily on par with Galactus getting attacked from the inside by the Elders.

And Galactus destroyed something he created. Great feat.

OK. Then post scans that state Magus lowered his hold on Eternity then.

It might have been his plan. However, nowhere is it even alluded to that whatever was holding Eternity catatonic was weakened just so his plan could come into fruition. It was the same as it was when it was created. Galactus just said I don't care and then he blasted the shit out of it.

Without Galactus, they would have been trapped 'forever'. Wasn't that your entire point that Galactus wasn't an abstract, because he needed Master Order and Lord Chaos' help?
How quickly the roles reverse.

This is what I said

This was proven FALSE when he lay dying after being unable to digest the Elders he ate and he needed REAL abstracts like Order and Chaos to save his ass.

Galactus' physical body is only essential to him when he's weak enough. In his true form he transcends it

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i40.tinypic.com/jtscuo.jpg

Bran won 10/10

Originally posted by zopzop

Are you losing your mind? Who said abstracts were unbeatable? I was saying true abstracts don't bleed, sweat, need to eat, etc... and they represent concepts. Galactus is NOT an abstract.[/B]

You're making up stipulations to be an abstract and we've seen Eternity bleed anyway. Pretty sure Phoenix has bled a lot. Eternity was turned into what seemed like a pile of blood when Genis crushed him. I wonder what else I could dig up. 🙂
But anyway, a concept shouldn't be able to die either, but they sure ****ing do at every turn. A concept should be unbeatable too for that matter.
Why don't you include those in your made up stipulations? Oh, because you're trying to find things that happen to Galactus that don't happen to anyone else. Why don't you say they don't need a helmet either?

But, as for you saying they don't need to eat... what happens when death stops happening in the universe? What happens when Order or Chaos are overwhelming in the universe?
Do they need feed off these? Do they not need these to exist?

Originally posted by zopzop

Possibly? We saw how that was FALSE when Death put her foot down and crushed the Cancerverse invasion force while Galactus couldn't even handle the GE. We saw what happened when Beyonder was about to obliterate Death, the entire cosmic pantheon rode to her defense (even though they couldn't stop Beyonder anyway).[/B]

We also saw that 616 Galactus keeps an abstract in check that would destroy everything, as well as him keeping the universe in check via the representation of destruction.
We saw that without Death the universe would still strive

If you want to get into it.

Originally posted by zopzop

No you are missing the point. No one is claiming Abstracts are all powerful.

He "got up" after Order/Chaos saved his ass from death. He still couldn't beat the IB. Or are you forgetting Surfer/Nova/the FF/Elders with their Gems jumping in to save Galactus?[/B]

That is not the low feat that you think it is.
Galactus tried to digest death pretty much, while also getting attacked by them. It didn't work out. Why does this mean anything?

Yes, I thought that went without saying.
I said he stalemated IB. Which he did. Or did IB win in your comic?
But anyway, you said yourself IB is an abstract, so not getting the attempted lowballing.

Originally posted by zopzop

We saw how meaningless that was when Galactus couldn't even handle the GE but Death put an end to the entire invasion force from the Cancerverse.[/B]

You keep jumping from abstracts not being all powerful, or unbeatable to concepts and the like, and then you jump back to "all powerful"

Galactus is part the great powers along with the exact beings you called Abstracts. What does that mean to you? Apparently nothing because Death beat the Cancerverse... though I'm really not getting the correlation.

Originally posted by zopzop

Instant? Where did it say instant? Because we saw Magus and Thanos staring at their monitors wondering if the blast they hit Galactus and crew with wasn't overkill. It took time for him to reform and nothing happened to the universe of Eternity.[/B]

It was many universes away, and also, Galactus was technically not dead yet. And this is the abstract version of Death stating that, so you can shut up right now about that:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/drstrangesorcerer4504fv3.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop

Marvel jobs out Eternity. Like DC jobs out Spectre. So?[/B]

Do you think about what you write like ever?

I'd say Marvel jobs out Galactus, but he disintegrated someone multiple times who defeated Death, and then stalemated an Abstract in IB... so I don't know.

Originally posted by zopzop
He didn't lower his hold. Don't you get it? The whole plan was to have someone attempt to free Eternity so that he could ask the LT to reverse his judgement. He had to make it look convincing so as not to raise suspicion (since he was hiding from the LT using the majority of the power of the 5 CCUs to do it). He had it planned out all in advance. Everything Galactus did was exactly what Magus wanted him to do. He straight up said so.

This is what I said

In response to this :

I was pointing out that Galactus is a physical being and lay dying because he was unable to digest the Elders. The fact that Order/Chaos are real abstracts is fact. He needed them to save him or he'd be dead. [/B]

Galactus destroyed something that was holding Eternity catatonic and Infinity trapped within Eternity. Eternity/Infinity needed a TRUE abstract to save them. No?

Also, I thought I asked you to provide scans... but whatever I guess.

And he was also getting attacked as well. There you go with your "he needed them to save or he'd be dead" again. How is this different than when Galactus saved Infinity/Eternity?

But anyway, Galactus takes form to manifest himself to lesser beings:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/SilverSurferv3140p11.jpg

Galactus is no longer a being in the absolute physical sense:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Importance/FFv1262010.jpg

Like your whole spiel with IB, Galactus' 'physical' form is important to what he represents. He's got two functions as well, destruction, and keeping Abraxas in check. He was also merged with the previous Eternity too so...
If Galactus isn't an abstract, then he's at the very least equal to the abstract in power in In-Betweener, so it's ultimately irrelevant.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Potentially, depending on how fast they are going. You know how relativistic kinetic energy works?

Originally posted by operator616
Galactus' first attack was with the power of a thousand suns and ego nullified it easily.
it was mentioned in the issue that galactus consumed a planet, however the time period when he did that was unknown, but he stated that he was starving despite the fact that he was treated as being a universal threat in those issues.

also, ego's energies (which thor channeled) defeated galactus in the end. Pretty impressive id say.

obviously ego is not an abstract, nor is galactus for that matter.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I do. I doubt that the writer at that time knew this.

Doesn't matter under SoD.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Universal threats don't throw asteroids as their ultimate attack, y'know.

Well an energy attack didn't work, maybe he was figuring a physical attack would work better. Like in a video game where some enemies are more vulnerable to different types of damage.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Good dodge. You brought up Death being a TRUE abstract just because she willed something to stay alive. Which is her entire concept.
It was stupid and nonsensical to say.

Galactus is NOT an abstract. What freaking concept does he represent?

You're making up stipulations to be an abstract and we've seen Eternity bleed anyway. Pretty sure Phoenix has bled a lot. Eternity was turned into what seemed like a pile of blood when Genis crushed him. I wonder what else I could dig up. 🙂
But anyway, a concept shouldn't be able to die either, but they sure ****ing do at every turn. A concept should be unbeatable too for that matter.
Why don't you include those in your made up stipulations? Oh, because you're trying to find things that happen to Galactus that don't happen to anyone else. Why don't you say they don't need a helmet either?

But, as for you saying they don't need to eat... what happens when death stops happening in the universe? What happens when Order or Chaos are overwhelming in the universe?
Do they need feed off these? Do they not need these to exist?

How does that have anything to do with role?

We also saw that 616 Galactus keeps an abstract in check that would destroy everything, as well as him keeping the universe in check via the representation of destruction.
We saw that without Death the universe would still strive

If you want to get into it.

How are you still missing the point? Let me say it again even simpler:
Grandmaster attack Death once. Grandmaster defeat Death.
Grandmaster attack Galactus from inside with other Elders. Grandmaster take down Galactus.

That is not the low feat that you think it is.
Galactus tried to digest death pretty much, while also getting attacked by them. It didn't work out. Why does this mean anything?

Yes, I thought that went without saying.
I said he stalemated IB. Which he did. Or did IB win in your comic?
But anyway, you said yourself IB is an abstract, so not getting the attempted lowballing.

Why is your mind so simple?

You keep jumping from abstracts not being all powerful, or unbeatable to concepts and the like, and then you jump back to "all powerful"

Galactus is part the great powers along with the exact beings you called Abstracts. What does that mean to you? Apparently nothing because Death beat the Cancerverse... though I'm really not getting the correlation.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/009-InfinityWar4.jpg

It was many universes away, and also, Galactus was technically not dead yet. And this is the abstract version of Death stating that, so you can shut up right now about that:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/drstrangesorcerer4504fv3.jpg

So you think a low feat from Galactus should count for all the marbles, but Eternity's don't count because Marvel jobs him out (which was my point with you not wanting to play the lowball game).

Do you think about what you write like ever?

I'd say Marvel jobs out Galactus, but he disintegrated someone multiple times who defeated Death, and then stalemated an Abstract in IB... so I don't know.

He didn't stalemate the IB, he was LOSING and hence why the Surfer/Nova/Elders/FF had to jump in and save his ass.

Also Death was going to stop Galactus from reforming and claim him until Strange ran interference for him.

So we're back at square one.

Galactus destroyed something that was holding Eternity catatonic and Infinity trapped within Eternity. Eternity/Infinity needed a TRUE abstract to save them. No?

Also, I thought I asked you to provide scans... but whatever I guess.

And he was also getting attacked as well. There you go with your "he needed them to save or he'd be dead" again. How is this different than when Galactus saved Infinity/Eternity?

But anyway, Galactus takes form to manifest himself to lesser beings:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/SilverSurferv3140p11.jpg

Galactus is no longer a being in the absolute physical sense:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Importance/FFv1262010.jpg

Like your whole spiel with IB, Galactus' 'physical' form is important to what he represents. He's got two functions as well, destruction, and keeping Abraxas in check. He was also merged with the previous Eternity too so...
If Galactus isn't an abstract, then he's at the very least equal to the abstract in power in In-Betweener, so it's ultimately irrelevant.

Galactus "takes" form by way of M-bodies (as shown in Quasar), he's not an abstract, just a "power cosmic entity" :

The Inbetweener is an abstract representing Balance.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Doesn't matter under SoD.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Well an energy attack didn't work, maybe he was figuring a physical attack would work better. Like in a video game where some enemies are more vulnerable to different types of damage.

Do you know how this works?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_the_Author

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Do you know how this works?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_the_Author

It's called objective analysis. When trying to analyze fiction scientifically (comparing power levels and such), you operate under the premise that what you're seeing is not fiction, but records of real events, and analyze them the same as you would analyze historical documents and footage. This eliminates subjective BS like waffling over what the author's intent was (which you can never actually know unless you ask them directly anyway).

Besides, I'm not saying Galactus was at full power when he faced Ego (in fact I have proof he wasn't), but he wasn't starving either.

Here let me simply this for ya.
Death - Eternity - Oblivion - Infinity: These are Concept Abstracts, as these are metaphysical being, given form by embodiment of the idea they represent.

Galatcus - Phoenix: Are simply Abstract Entities, because they can not be fathomable perceived by the lower life forms, due to their evolved state of being.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
It's called objective analysis. When trying to analyze fiction scientifically (comparing power levels and such), you operate under the premise that what you're seeing is not fiction, but records of real events, and analyze them the same as you would analyze historical documents and footage. This eliminates subjective BS like waffling over what the author's intent was (which you can never actually know unless you ask them directly anyway).

Besides, I'm not saying Galactus was at full power when he faced Ego (in fact I have proof he wasn't), but he wasn't starving either.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/MjolnirBurnwithMillSuns.jpg

Considering the writer used asteroids as the ultimate attack, I don't think the "power of a thousand suns" was anything but hyperbole.