Bashar Teg's (and Queeq's) KOROVA BLUE MILK BAR

Originally posted by queeq
Sure, kill to show that killing is wrong... that's the American way.

Of course. Punishment and murder is different.

Originally posted by Ms Rorschach
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baby girl (like 6 months old) was BIT, beaten, RAPED, thrown, and murdered by her parents and uncle. in New Mexico.

bruised all over her face, bite marks all over her body, and the autopsy reveled, she had broken bones old and knew, and now, skull fractures old and new, and bleeding on the brain old and new. shes probably been beaten since she was born.

those people will be out of prison in 18 years. BULLSHIT, they need to either be locked up for life, or be trialed for the death penalty. the grandparents are also in jail, bcuz they knew what was going on and didn't report it.

Words cant describe how terrible and tragic that is.

Originally posted by sweersa
Words cant describe how terrible and tragic that is.

this.

execution should only be used in worst case scenarios. I believe in second chances and psychiatric evaluations.

they raped a 6month old... her whole life... i dont think people really understand what these men had to do to be able to raped this baby. this wasn't a child being raped. to be graphic, they had to cut the baby's low area open to do it. these 3 people are ****ing SICK.

this helpless baby was beaten, bit, thrown, and mutilated. these people weren't mental cases, or tripping off drugs, or claiming "God made me do it."

i dont care if they're put to death. but need to be locked up for LIFE. and let those prisoners have their way with these people. bcuz u know prisoners do NOT take child molesters/abusers lightly. bcuz they dont approve of taking the life or hurting something that defensive-less.

i wish i could gather a court to protest these people's sentense. i cant get this baby girl out of my head.

Ugh ok can we please move on beyond this horribly sad and depressing topic. Its killing me.

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
That's a little dogmatic... You seriously dont think people who could rape and destroy a baby would be better to society in an eliminated state of being?

Well, the point is not whether their action is acceptable, teh question is if we ourselves are such great judges on deciding on who has the right to live and who to die? Because if you start here, who's next? Where do you draw the line?
If these people acted on some bizarre emotion to do this horrible thing to a child, crying out for some kind of justice, which you will not get, by wanting these people dead doesn't necessarily mean we are so much better than them.
Locking up also takes these people out of society. Killing to show that killing is wrong is a bit well... debatable.

May I? Queeq, I completely understand where you're coming from. Even as kid I always thought the idea of putting a killer on death row and killing them was extreme hypocrisy. But what if it was your child or a family member that was raped and killed? Can you honestly say that you would not want that person to suffer as much as possible before they were killed themselves?

I know that's a hard decision to make for most, including myself. I don't necessarily agree with the death penalty, but at the same time, if anyone ever touched my daughter like that or killed anyone ion my family, well then my PTSD would have to flare up and I would have to kill them. Again, hypocritical, but that's one of the human dilemmas.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
But what if it was your child or a family member that was raped and killed?

I can tell you right now, were it MY child or even a friend's child that was beaten, raped, and killed I would have personally hunted whoever killed them myself. I am not talking figuratively, either. I would literally hunt them down and kill them myself. Not simply because of rage, but because I, in good conscience, could not let them go free, or even be shackled in such a corrupt justice system as the American system has become. People like this feed on the extent of society's understanding, certainly they deserve nothing less than a life sentence, but then again a life sentence doesn't always turn out to be that. Charles Manson is due for another chance at parole in... what... 3 years? Granted, Manson never killed anyone himself, but he still facilitated every one of those murders...

Originally posted by Jaeh.is.Awesome
this.

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Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
May I? Queeq, I completely understand where you're coming from. Even as kid I always thought the idea of putting a killer on death row and killing them was extreme hypocrisy. But what if it was your child or a family member that was raped and killed? Can you honestly say that you would not want that person to suffer as much as possible before they were killed themselves?

I know that's a hard decision to make for most, including myself. I don't necessarily agree with the death penalty, but at the same time, if anyone ever touched my daughter like that or killed anyone ion my family, well then my PTSD would have to flare up and I would have to kill them. Again, hypocritical, but that's one of the human dilemmas.

Well said, friend.

Originally posted by queeq
Well, the point is not whether their action is acceptable, teh question is if we ourselves are such great judges on deciding on who has the right to live and who to die? Because if you start here, who's next? Where do you draw the line?
If these people acted on some bizarre emotion to do this horrible thing to a child, crying out for some kind of justice, which you will not get, by wanting these people dead doesn't necessarily mean we are so much better than them.
Locking up also takes these people out of society. Killing to show that killing is wrong is a bit well... debatable.

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
Simply stated, killing to show that killing is wrong is not the goal of execution. When someone can do this to an innocent baby, causing pain beyond her possible comprehension, You execute that person to instill fear in the hearts of other people who would consider such an action a mere "fetish". Be it 18 years or Life, the punishment isn't that scary. Its prevention, not hindsight that would stem the use of the death sentence.

+1

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
Simply stated, killing to show that killing is wrong is not the goal of execution. When someone can do this to an innocent baby, causing pain beyond her possible comprehension, You execute that person to instill fear in the hearts of other people who would consider such an action a mere "fetish". Be it 18 years or Life, the punishment isn't that scary. Its prevention, not hindsight that would stem the use of the death sentence.

Agreed. ✅

Could we please move on from this topic now? I find myself moved to vomit every time I think about it.

KOTOR WONT WORK ON MAI COMPUTOR!!

Originally posted by sweersa
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that means i agree with you. xD

Originally posted by Jaeh.is.Awesome
that means i agree with you. xD

Oh, lol.

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
KOTOR WONT WORK ON MAI COMPUTOR!!

That sucks. KotOR is an excellent game. KotOR 2? not so much... 🙁 I need to get a new computer before TOR comes out, that's looking good.

Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon
That sucks. KotOR is an excellent game. KotOR 2? not so much... 🙁 I need to get a new computer before TOR comes out, that's looking good.

haven't finished it yet. I want to, but I need to buy KOTOR, first. xD

*sigh* annoying that there isn't any for PSP.

i wish i could wiggle my tongue fast.

Originally posted by Jaeh.is.Awesome
haven't finished it yet. I want to, but I need to buy KOTOR, first. xD

*sigh* annoying that there isn't any for PSP.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
May I? Queeq, I completely understand where you're coming from. Even as kid I always thought the idea of putting a killer on death row and killing them was extreme hypocrisy. But what if it was your child or a family member that was raped and killed? Can you honestly say that you would not want that person to suffer as much as possible before they were killed themselves?

I know that's a hard decision to make for most, including myself. I don't necessarily agree with the death penalty, but at the same time, if anyone ever touched my daughter like that or killed anyone ion my family, well then my PTSD would have to flare up and I would have to kill them. Again, hypocritical, but that's one of the human dilemmas.

Hey, I'd feel taht way. But if emotion is suffices to decide whether someon lives or dies, we'd be no different than the parent who killed that baby. No doubt they acted on some disturbed emotion that went way beyond the acceptable. Lady Justice is not depicted as a woman with a blind fold: to be able to judge without emotion or personal attachment. And there in lies the dilemma. Which is hard, but in my view no one's entitled to decide whether someone lives or dies. Not these parent, not us. If they're a dnager to society lock them away.

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
Simply stated, killing to show that killing is wrong is not the goal of execution. When someone can do this to an innocent baby, causing pain beyond her possible comprehension, You execute that person to instill fear in the hearts of other people who would consider such an action a mere "fetish". Be it 18 years or Life, the punishment isn't that scary. Its prevention, not hindsight that would stem the use of the death sentence.

Countless scientific research has shown that there's no difference in crime between countries who have a death penalty and who do not. They have shown in many, many times that there is no sign at all that the death penalty has any preventive effect. I know that's a romantic thought: we have a death penalty and people will be too scared to do something. Well, just look at the US: it doesn't work. People can be so screwed up in their personal lives or bad socio-economic situation that the 'pending doom' of a death penalty has no effect at all on their actions. The solution, if tehre is any, should be found elsewhere.

Originally posted by queeq

Countless scientific research has shown that there's no difference in crime between countries who have a death penalty and who do not. They have shown in many, many times that there is no sign at all that the death penalty has any preventive effect. I know that's a romantic thought: we have a death penalty and people will be too scared to do something. Well, just look at the US: it doesn't work. People can be so screwed up in their personal lives or bad socio-economic situation that the 'pending doom' of a death penalty has no effect at all on their actions. The solution, if tehre is any, should be found elsewhere.

I wonder if we should start encasing criminals in carbonite. Hehehe.