Originally posted by Sonic x 20
Shin Akuma was also a pain in Street Fighter Alpha 3. It is like he knows what your about to do before you even do it.
😕 Shin Akuma is not in Alpha
Originally posted by Maji
Thats called Super Armor.Sent has the best nturally, followed closely by Juggy.
However, Colossus can gain ultra armor, which he cannot be stunned in and Silver Samurai, after performing the ice powerup three times, has the best overall defense in the entire game. Mech Zangeif also has ultra armor as far as I know.
Rogue also can gain super armor is she kisses the right characters.
Evil Zangief too
Originally posted by Maji😆 Yeah, where did that come from? Sonic X 20, from now on, try not to sound too much like a troller. No hard feelings.
Where the hell did this shit come from?I mean, it's pretty obvious.
Theoretically, I'd say that top tiers deliver victories easier. However, you still have to have your share of great skills to excecute with these characters appropriately. I mean, I'm almost certain some noob isn't gonna learn how to do crazy Sentinel Fastfly's or bust out Magneto mid screen Guard Breakers to ROM infinite in one day. It's just that these characters have much MUCH more dept than characters like Ryu or Hayato and tools needed to perform better. For example, Ryu is easier to learn how to play to an extent on account of not having much dept delivered to him. I mean, you can't really go farther than doing some simple ground combo with him or his standard 5-6 normal air combos which deduct hardly any proficient damage WITHOUT ASSISTS OR SUPERS. Remember, just because they are easier to play DOES NOT MEAN THEY WILL DELIVER VICTORIES better than, say, Iron Man or Dr. Doom; both who are much better than Ryu. There is a difference between being able to play with a character who is very shallow, hence simpler to play, and not as effective overall than playing with a character who has much more dept, hence harder to play with, and obtaining victories easier.
If anyone has trouble understanding this, I am trying my best to simplify it and deeply apologize.
I got a question for you, you rated Dan and Gief at the bottom tier with Kobun, why did you do that when these characters have much more to offer than Kobun? Played effectively these two characters can compete in medium-low level play. Dan has the most powerful super in the game, which, although difficult to connect with, is something for him. He also has good priority for certain moves and assists that put him head and shoulders above Kobun, who only has a chip damage move to speak of offense. Gief can potentially shut down many characters on the roster (and character with no keep away game) which is also something Kobun can not boast.
Ive been out of the MvC2 game for a long, long time, havnt even picked up a controller in it for like 2 years, but I had my time in the sun. I never really got into the whole "top-tier" competitive play but I knew the tricks. Just never had the time to practice, lol. Closest I came was I had a mean spiral back in the "Spiral sword wall is the best ever!!!!111" day. Anyway, one thing I did do well was smack Magnetos and Cables and Sentiels around by the dozens with Dan/Zangief/Jin. And it was because those guys log on, see these characters, and walk in the arcade and pick these guys like Im suppose to give up when I see there team or something. They just forgot to learn how to play with these guys first. Moral of the story is even a great dan player can beat a crappy magneto player, know what I mean?
Oh, you were talkin smack bout my boy Jin earlier in the thread too. Jin got his good points, hes better than you made him sound. You just cant afford any mistakes, like you said. His AAA is great tho, more priority than Commando's, just doesnt get the vert reach necessary to take out any air stuff.
I'll let Stat1c do the bulk of the posting in response to this, but I think the reason Dan/Gief are in such low tiers is because they don't have as much potential as higher tier characters and require insanely high amounts of skill to be able to make them formidable in tournament level play. The tiers, I believe only apply if two people of the same skill are playing each other, not of unequal, though it still could be calculated in.
And actually, Gief's lvl 3 super is about as strong as Dan's ultimate super and doesnt cause damage to Gief. Otoko Michi (or something like that) acts more or an equalizer if anything, unless you know how to keep Dan alive with one pixil of life to be able to pull it off more than once in a match.
Originally posted by OnikirimaruWelcome to 2005, man. I can see that you used to "smack" lots of Magnetos, Cables, and Sentinels back in the day, but to tell you the truth, these characters (except for probably Cable) have evolved so much in the last couple of years it's not even funny. For starters, Magneto has the ROM infinite, which can pretty much be comboed from any normal attack overhead with variations, can reset SO F*CKING FAST you will not know what direction to block next and can take out cwhole characters IN SECONDS (that's right, seconds). Sentinel, can now excecute an extra hit or block after an unfly called with a technique called UnFly Mode for more rushdown priority and have discovered ways to combo his jump and super jumps to his flight mode which can be combined for DEVISTATING damage if done correctly and has an unblockable laser (c.hp) if done correctly to combo into Rocket Punch, Hyper Sentinel Force variations. These are just some of the techniques that have been discovered over the years of your absence (since you pretty much said you haven't played since it's heyday). Remember, just because you beat Cable, Magneto, and Sentinel players w/ Zangief and Dan back then doesn't mean they were actually good. Any noob can pick those characters and any decent player can own them with either of them. I'm not saying they were, but it could've been possible.
I got a question for you, you rated Dan and Gief at the bottom tier with Kobun, why did you do that when these characters have much more to offer than Kobun? Played effectively these two characters can compete in medium-low level play. Dan has the most powerful super in the game, which, although difficult to connect with, is something for him. He also has good priority for certain moves and assists that put him head and shoulders above Kobun, who only has a chip damage move to speak of offense. Gief can potentially shut down many characters on the roster (and character with no keep away game) which is also something Kobun can not boast.Ive been out of the MvC2 game for a long, long time, havnt even picked up a controller in it for like 2 years, but I had my time in the sun. I never really got into the whole "top-tier" competitive play but I knew the tricks. Just never had the time to practice, lol. Closest I came was I had a mean spiral back in the "Spiral sword wall is the best ever!!!!111" day. Anyway, one thing I did do well was smack Magnetos and Cables and Sentiels around by the dozens with Dan/Zangief/Jin. And it was because those guys log on, see these characters, and walk in the arcade and pick these guys like Im suppose to give up when I see there team or something. They just forgot to learn how to play with these guys first. Moral of the story is even a great dan player can beat a crappy magneto player, know what I mean?
Oh, you were talkin smack bout my boy Jin earlier in the thread too. Jin got his good points, hes better than you made him sound. You just cant afford any mistakes, like you said. His AAA is great tho, more priority than Commando's, just doesnt get the vert reach necessary to take out any air stuff.
Anyways, about my "tiering", I think Maji kinda hit it on the target. Dan and Zangief, who have damaging supers, cannot really apply it well in a REAL match in my opinion; even if Dan or Zangief do their Lv 3 super grabs, it only takes 1 frame to jump straight up and thus eliminating their chances of grabbing you (without assists). Zangief has terrible TERRIBLE air mobility (Dan's air mobility is decent on account of his QCB + K special which pretty much counts as an alternate air dash), both of them lack any sort of speed, their normal supers have no range (Zangief's Lv 1 Atomic Buster super can also be avoided w/ just jumping and his Mech Zangief Siberian Blizzard is pretty much uncomboable except with a launcher or a Spinning Clothesline, that's pretty much it. But good luck trying to get into your opponent with that; Dan's supers speak for themselves; except probably his Shinkuu Gadou-ken which can act as a shield and push your opponent away if blocked; his other supers are just garbage in my opinion.)
And yes, Jin does really suck. I can go on and on about him, or I can just let this link do all the work for me 🙂
http://shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83479&page=1&pp=15
Prepare yourself, you're probably going to cry after you read this 🙁
Originally posted by StaT1c
And yes, Jin does really suck. I can go on and on about him, or I can just let this link do all the work for me 🙂http://shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83479&page=1&pp=15
Prepare yourself, you're probably going to cry after you read this 🙁
His supers aren't that bad 😮
If I had to pick a specialist game area, mine would be fighting games. I was more or less raised on Street Fighter and it's surrounding sub-games and there haven't been many people at all that have been able to beat me.
However, Marvel Vs Capcom's, while fun, seem unrealistic. Yes, I know it's a game. It's fun but then you realise it's Ryu Vs The Hulk and it kinda seems stupid.
-AC