Superman Prime Vs. Dark Phoenix

Originally posted by leonheartmm
cant i u dumass. i can be as serious as i want against sum1 who doesnt give a damn about any1 and would even be as low as to use the most serious things the opposition is goin through to their puny advantage and ridicule em just to boost their own ego n argument.

What on earth are you going on about Leon. I know nothing about your personal problems and find it low that you would bring them up as some excuse for your behaviour on the forum. Everyone has sh*t they have to deal with, youre not some special case. If you want this silly war of words to end then dont start it up. How many times have i said to you lets start again on a clean slate only for you to start it all again when i disagree with you on a thread? 🙄

im new x-men right?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Cyclops doing that was retconned by Gambit and the X-ternals #3 when Jahf the guardian of the crystal later verified that only Phoenix can handle the crystal. That point is moot. I will remind you about that every time you bring it up. 😉

As stated on panel by Death and as supported by its comparative role Phoenix is not an abstract it is a force that is an embodiment of all life and the power of creation. It manifests to carry its work out at the universal level however its not limited to the universal.

There are many Phoenix manifestations which power the realities of the multiverse, however there is one Phoenix consciousness which resides in the core of creation known as the white hot room which lies beyond the multiverse in the M'kraan crystal as detailed in New X-men. The Phoenix Consciousness is the source from which these manifestations derive from. The Phoenix is a mutable, indestructable energy form which can break off into many seperate forms throughout creation whilst still remaining one entity at the heart.

is that right THICK SKULLED ONE?!

from my standards that feat was NOT retconned n wont be. cyclops healed the crystal just like phoenix. n phoenix thus has NO multiversal feats. nuthing suggests that she is multiversal. only a universal ABSTRACT who is the beginning and the end of the UNIVERSE. oh n btw, u DO know that the mkraan crystal was built by alien BEINGS{or a race} from a UNIVERSE. does that mean thhat the race is GREATER than the phoenix too since it built the very thing which has multiversal power and IS the white hot room{which YOU say urself} the idea is RIDICULOUS gs.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
ur confused. it is said that MUTANTS will replace all the abstracts, NOT the pheonix force. that is omega level mutants. however LT is not an abstract and might not be replaced. even then there are inconsistencies with the concept. since all abstracts are UNIVERSAL while LT is MULTIVERSAL n that wudnt make sense if one omega level mutant turned into the universal eternity while the other turned into the MULTIVERSAL living tribunal.

No timescale is referred to in X-men Forever. For all we know LT is the last of the fundamental forces replaced in the process the Phoenix co-ordinates. We are not privy to the inner details however until something contradictory is released we just have to accept that LT does indeed get replaced each creation cycle as stated on panel.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
is that right THICK SKULLED ONE?!

from my standards that feat was NOT retconned n wont be. cyclops healed the crystal just like phoenix. n phoenix thus has NO multiversal feats. nuthing suggests that she is multiversal. only a universal ABSTRACT who is the beginning and the end of the UNIVERSE. oh n btw, u DO know that the mkraan crystal was built by alien BEINGS{or a race} from a UNIVERSE. does that mean thhat the race is GREATER than the phoenix too since it built the very thing which has multiversal power and IS the white hot room{which YOU say urself} the idea is RIDICULOUS gs.

Your opinion means nothing in the face of on panel evidence. Please understand that. If you wish to entertain the notion that Cyclops has the power to contain the M'kraan crystal then youre free to delude yourself. However Marvel saw to it that that inconsistency was fixed by later making it clear that only a Phoenix can work the M'kraan crystal.

Unfortunately for your misguided hate campain your evidence just isnt canon. So while you can continue to bring it up, it will forever be laughed off as it has no relevance to canon debates. Again, please understand that. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No timescale is referred to in X-men Forever. For all we know LT is the last of the fundamental forces replaced in the process the Phoenix co-ordinates. We are not privy to the inner details however until something contradictory is released we just have to accept that LT does indeed get replaced each creation cycle as stated on panel.

wow u actually used ur BRAIN didnt u.{plus no smileys either, im IMPRESSED GS, there might be hope for u yet} and it doesnt have any significance if he gets replaced or not, its just NOT WELL thought out, the whole omega level mutant theory. n another thing pheonix does NOT co ordinate the cycle of creation, she only coordinates the UNIVERSAL cycle of death and rebirth, nuthing else. phoenix is HERSELF a pawn in the creation cycle, and will eventually be replaced by a human{probably jean} shes not better off than the wrest be it LT or be it eternity. shes a victim to the cycle like other abstracts.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your opinion means nothing in the face of on panel evidence. Please understand that. If you wish to entertain the notion that Cyclops has the power to contain the M'kraan crystal then youre free to delude yourself. However Marvel saw to it that that inconsistency was fixed by later making it clear that only a Phoenix can work the M'kraan crystal.

Unfortunately for your misguided hate campain your evidence just isnt canon. So while you can continue to bring it up, it will forever be laughed off as it has no relevance to canon debates. Again, please understand that. 🙂

is that so dumass? i do not WISH TO ANYTHING! im a very reasonable guy. cyclops healing the mkraan crystal SHUD HAVE BEEN BULLSHIT. but im going by YOUR logic, if wny 1 is to take your crappy manipulated facts at face value than {even though i dont LIKE it} cyclop's feat is ALSO true, n its just YOU who says that it is an inconsistancy, because u WANT to, it was never fixed no1 gave an explanation as to why cyclops COULD do it, no1 said that it was an ILLUSION or that there was another power involved or that cyclops didnt really heal it. fact is, he DID heal it, just like the phoenix, n just because sum1 says that only the phoenix can heal it doesnt MEAN that cyclops's feat is RETCONNED. it only means that like in all comics, slight contradictions exist in different comics, but one thing is for sure cyclops's feat were NOT reviewed explained or CORRECTED n thus it is a mere contradiction{n a really weak one at that} and not a retcon at all{n yes i am unbiased in everythin i say, n i DONT like the fact that cyclops cud do what he did but as its PROVEN, i have no choice but to believe it}

and hey you STILL havent explained to me about the place at which the very CREATORS of the mkraan crystal stand{remember that they ARE infact UNIVERSAL aliens hwo ARE created by the phoenix to begin with}

and as for the last part, u really cud do better, in the past page or so, ur the only one thats been laughing, no1 else my friend. n i have NO hate towards the phoenix, i just take it for what it is{n i didnt like the fact that it was made chief universal abstract from a low one either but i accepted what WAS there, n ur version of the phoenix doesnt exist}

Originally posted by leonheartmm
is that right THICK SKULLED ONE?!

from my standards that feat was NOT retconned n wont be. cyclops healed the crystal just like phoenix. n phoenix thus has NO multiversal feats. nuthing suggests that she is multiversal. only a universal ABSTRACT who is the beginning and the end of the UNIVERSE. oh n btw, u DO know that the mkraan crystal was built by alien BEINGS{or a race} from a UNIVERSE. does that mean thhat the race is GREATER than the phoenix too since it built the very thing which has multiversal power and IS the white hot room{which YOU say urself} the idea is RIDICULOUS gs.

Theres actually more than one origin for the crystal. As stated in past bios its exact origins are shrouded in mystery. Another origin is that it was a gift between the Shi'ar gods Sharra and Ky'thri who happen to be aspects of the Phoenix 😉 :

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=2/3909345924.jpg&s=x7

Well that fits in nicely with the later revealed fact that the crystal is an access point for the Crown Phoenixs home dimension 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Theres actually more than one origin for the crystal. As stated in past bios its exact origins are shrouded in mystery. Another origin is that it was a gift between the Shi'ar gods Sharra and Ky'thri who happen to be aspects of the Phoenix 😉 :

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=2/3909345924.jpg&s=x7

Well that fits in nicely with the later revealed fact that the crystal is an access point for the Crown Phoenixs home dimension 😄

Originally posted by leonheartmm
wow u actually used ur BRAIN didnt u.{plus no smileys either, im IMPRESSED GS, there might be hope for u yet} and it doesnt have any significance if he gets replaced or not, its just NOT WELL thought out, the whole omega level mutant theory. n another thing pheonix does NOT co ordinate the cycle of creation, she only coordinates the UNIVERSAL cycle of death and rebirth, nuthing else. phoenix is HERSELF a pawn in the creation cycle, and will eventually be replaced by a human{probably jean} shes not better off than the wrest be it LT or be it eternity. shes a victim to the cycle like other abstracts.

Back up your claims with scans my friend. This is just your unsupported opinion and has no relevance here im afraid. 🙁

Phoenix co-ordinated the process which was the reason why Stranger sought the power to bring about the process and place himself above the other fundamental forces.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Theres actually more than one origin for the crystal. As stated in past bios its exact origins are shrouded in mystery. Another origin is that it was a gift between the Shi'ar gods Sharra and Ky'thri who happen to be aspects of the Phoenix 😉 :

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=2/3909345924.jpg&s=x7

Well that fits in nicely with the later revealed fact that the crystal is an access point for the Crown Phoenixs home dimension 😄

hmm, thats vague isnt it, from where marvel stands the crystal was BUILT by the shiaar, the alien race and was also PROTECTED by them and their machanizations. and also, sharra and kythri arent known aspects of the phoenix force{so it doesnt fit in nicely im afraid stop postin bul gs}

Originally posted by Juntai
Sweet. Learn something new all the time.
What're the other backrounds?

Just what Leon said. That it was created by an alien race long ago. That ones boring. 😉

Originally posted by leonheartmm
hmm, thats vague isnt it, from where marvel stands the crystal was BUILT by the shiaar, the alien race and was also PROTECTED by them and their machanizations. and also, sharra and kythri arent known aspects of the phoenix force{so it doesnt fit in nicely im afraid stop postin bul gs}

I'll post a scan of the alternate origin as soon as it downloads. Id appreciate it if you could do the same otherwise your point will just be ignored.

Yes Leon an on panel scan is BS because it doesnt fit in with your revenge attempts 🙄

Right. We'll continue this later. I'll be back with crystal origin supporting my scans, please do the same or you'll have another moot point on your hands. 🙁

Ciao!! 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Back up your claims with scans my friend. This is just your unsupported opinion and has no relevance here im afraid. 🙁

Phoenix co-ordinated the process which was the reason why Stranger sought the power to bring about the process and place himself above the other fundamental forces.

you realy DO have shit for brains dont you. READ what i have said in my post{im sure u can do it, go ahead TRY gs, try n read for once}. i said that the omega level mutants CONCEPT is not well thought out as it leaves loopholes and inconsistancies{which even u admitted as there are universal abstracts n the multiversal LT} why the HELL wud any1 need scans to show that{its not aplot twist or statement in comics so it CANT be shown by scans u dumass, grow a damn brain already}

n YOU were the one that said that phoenix CO ORDINATES the cycle of multiversal SUBSTITUTION of abstracts with the next human race, therefore YOU should show me evidence of it EXISTING, afterall no1 can show evidence for sumthing not existing when it never EXISTED or was claimed to exist in the first place{its just like sayin I SAY GOD EXIST[without proving it] UNTIL YOU GIVE ME PROOF THAT HE DOESNT EXIST HE DOES} u cant disprove sumthing without it BEING there to begin with. you show me DIRECT CLEAR proof{scan or anything STATING jean or the phoenix CO ORDINATING[which should also be stated as none of ur previous scans have shown anything even closely resembling clear undeniable proof] the cycle of humans replacing abstracts and i will THEN provide you with evidence of it not being true. and in the end, phoenix is an abstract, no matter how powerful{n its not as powerful as u think, only universallly powerful gs} is still an abstract and it goes to reason that if LT or eternity is going to be replaced by humans, the phoenix will be too sumday, probably by phoenix as she has already shown the potential to be the next phoenix{btw why is this bothering u anyway, u LOVE jean, why would it matter if she were indeed the next phoenix, itd only make her cooler and in complete control of the force rather than being an avatar} THIS is NOT sumthing that can be shown by SCANS my thickheaded friend, it has not HAPPENED yet, but it is stated by COMMON sense that if the omega level mutant thory is true, it WILL happen n i dont have a time machine to bring future scans back with me.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Right. We'll continue this later. I'll be back with crystal origin supporting my scans, please do the same or you'll have another moot point on your hands. 🙁

Ciao!! 😉

as i have said time n TIME again, i DONT have a scanner , not every1 can afford 1,

I read through most of this thread, and Dark Phoenix wins easily. Nobody has ever disputed my claims that Prime was probably at best, Skyfather level....Look at skyfather feats, and then compare what little you know of Prime to them......Looks real similar huh?
But i gotta address the whole Superman>>>Hal in willpower. I thought they addressed the fact that Superman had one of the lesser wills?? If wrong, correct me please. And for the Emperor Joker arc, the Spectre wasn't unable to to defat Joker with ease. He chose not to simply because he knew it would've broken reality or somesuch bs. Thats all. And Spectre has on other occasions made imps turn tail and flee. So different showings, say different things. Just another inconsistency in comics, both DC and Marvel. Accept it. Does one low showing void all high ones?? Nahh, since Superman has been koed by a gas station explosion in DOS. It happens. And for the record, there is no Sword of Heaven. Stop saying there was. It was a Sword of Superman from Precrisis, and as such should no longer exist. And Avy already cleared up the fact that the sword shown in Dc 1Million was a Sword from heaven that belonged to ZAURIEL. Not Clark. ZAURIEL!!
I've said my piece.

Dark Phoenix gets rid of the fanboy magnet known as Superman Prime. 💃

Originally posted by brainchild81
Dark Phoenix gets rid of the fanboy magnet known as Superman Prime. 💃

prime is faster than light speed, didnt he rip downthe gates of heaven and arch angel michael didnt even try to stop him (the guy who beat spectre) doesnt that tell you something? dark phoenix isnt touching prime, just think normal superman, only multiple times stronger faster etc, plus he lifted that key that weighed 500k tons