Superman Prime Vs. Dark Phoenix

Originally posted by leonheartmm
there u go again. repeating the same argument which is UR oppinion and trying to take attention away from the facts. fact is PHEONIX WASNT THERE AT THE BIRTH OF THE UNIVERSE THE BUNNY/ETERNITY "WAS". im not saying reed had powers, every1 knows its through his genius that he accomplished it. stop talkin trash and yes, ur ideas are not exactly universally accepted, n even though u might have blinded some members into believin ur cock bull tales, many people dont believe u, they just dont argue with u because u bring up ridiculous tiring and never ending baseless oppinions into the mix, not to mention u warp the very meaning of the english language and then dont admit it, above all kmc is ur life n many peope actually have REAL lives to be bothered with ur baseless essays.

So how is it my just my opinion if its actually stated on panel and in bios? 🙄

Phoenix is the Big Bang. It manifests into reality as the Big Bang each cycle. It is reborn in this event time and time again. The same title youre trying to use actually states that Phoenix is the Big Bang. There really is no debating im afraid.

Many centuries after the Big Bang these energies took on the shape we know to be Phoenix after linking to Feron

Your argument is that Phoenix wasnt there because you didnt see a bird shape Big Bang. 😂

Thats incredibly poor Leon especially in light of the fact that as stated and shown on panel Phoenix was reborn into reality as the Big Bang and that its natural state is just energy which fits in perfectly with what we saw in F4. You have nothing. Deny it all you wish. 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So how is it my just my opinion if its actually stated on panel and in bios? 🙄

Phoenix is the Big Bang. It manifests into reality as the Big Bang each cycle. It is reborn in this event time and time again. The same title youre trying to use actually states that Phoenix is the Big Bang. There really is no debating im afraid.

Many centuries after the Big Bang these energies took on the shape we know to be Phoenix after linking to Feron

Your argument is that Phoenix wasnt there because you didnt see a bird shape Big Bang. 😂

Thats incredibly poor Leon especially in light of the fact that as stated and shown on panel Phoenix was reborn into reality as the Big Bang and that its natural state is just energy which fits in perfectly with what we saw in F4. You have nothing. Deny it all you wish. 😉

tell me first and foremost what was the POINT in bringing up those scans when the bunny incident tells another story? seems to be that ur obsessed with scans that SUPPORT ur point of view while u wont see any that........hmmm what was it.........oh yea, RETCON those. agian u fill ur message with ridiculing remarks and smileys but the fact is, from the very start, YOU HAVE NOT ADDRESEED THE ISSUE, n are always trying to divert the attention of other forum members. or u just get stubonly stuck on one thing{which u interpret very wrongly and further paste with oppinion and manipulate facts leading upto it} and dont wanna address or see anything else. im sorry but that just wont do gs. that interpretation only fits in YOUR head. u CUD try n give an explanation that not all abstracts always have to be at every place they are needed because thatd make storie boring, but no, u r denying direct evidence and tryin to pull evidene out which just does not EXIST. a comic book character has to be there and show power to accept responsibility or acknowledge a feat. ur version of the pheonix SHOULD have been there or otherwise should have atleast been HINTED to on the page or the ones following it even IF a firebird or jean{who u say is the physial body for the pheonix to do its WORK. n its WORK also includes being there to create a universe} WASNT present, their presence was still acknowledged. so there u have it, no more bull, fact is the eternity bunny created the universe, NOT jean and NOT the pheonix. DEAL WITH IT.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
tell me first and foremost what was the POINT in bringing up those scans when the bunny incident tells another story? seems to be that ur obsessed with scans that SUPPORT ur point of view while u wont see any that........hmmm what was it.........oh yea, RETCON those. agian u fill ur message with ridiculing remarks and smileys but the fact is, from the very start, YOU HAVE NOT ADDRESEED THE ISSUE, n are always trying to divert the attention of other forum members. or u just get stubonly stuck on one thing{which u interpret very wrongly and further paste with oppinion and manipulate facts leading upto it} and dont wanna address or see anything else. im sorry but that just wont do gs. that interpretation only fits in YOUR head. u CUD try n give an explanation that not all abstracts always have to be at every place they are needed because thatd make storie boring, but no, u r denying direct evidence and tryin to pull evidene out which just does not EXIST. a comic book character has to be there and show power to accept responsibility or acknowledge a feat. ur version of the pheonix SHOULD have been there or otherwise should have atleast been HINTED to on the page or the ones following it even IF a firebird or jean{who u say is the physial body for the pheonix to do its WORK. n its WORK also includes being there to create a universe} WASNT present, their presence was still acknowledged. so there u have it, no more bull, fact is the eternity bunny created the universe, NOT jean and NOT the pheonix. DEAL WITH IT.

Leon thats rubbish and you know it. Ive said all that needs to be said. If you'd read the F4 comic youre debating over you'd see that nothing whatsoever is stated that conflicts with Phoenix being the Big Bang. If there is then please post it for me. Otherwise as we both know is ever the case, you have NOTHING!! 😉

Phoenix has been established as the Big Bang for a very long time and its common knowledge that in its natural form when it first manifested as the Big Bang that it wasnt Bird shaped. With that in mind how can you deny that the Big Bang shown in F4 532 was Phoenix when Reed as stated time travelled to the birth of the universe.

You have scans here showing that Phoenix is the Big Bang and in the beginning wasnt bird shaped. As thats long established for a retcon to have taken place the Big Bang would have to have been stated to be some other being/force. The F4 comic never did that. I suggest you read it my friend. The scans speak for themselves. Phoenix manifested as the Big Bang and its form came from a later communion with Feron. How can you expect Phoenix to have that bird shape in a comic depicting events prior to that occurrence? Your logic is ridiculous, your argument is garbage and we both know it. 🙂

Ok lets end this Leon. Given that its stated on panel that Phoenix didnt get the name or bird shape until long after the birth of the universe there not being a bird shaped Big Bang is really a poor argument, even for you. Its already established that Phoenix is the Big Bang so if you want to argue for your retcon show me where in that title (F4 532) its stated that the Big Bang isnt Phoenix. 😉

Its really not gonna happen is it? Its cool we can forget about this. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Leon thats rubbish and you know it. Ive said all that needs to be said. If you'd read the F4 comic youre debating over you'd see that nothing whatsoever is stated that conflicts with Phoenix being the Big Bang. If there is then please post it for me. Otherwise as we both know is ever the case, you have NOTHING!! 😉

Phoenix has been established as the Big Bang for a very long time and its common knowledge that in its natural form when it first manifested as the Big Bang that it wasnt Bird shaped. With that in mind how can you deny that the Big Bang shown in F4 532 was Phoenix when Reed as stated time travelled to the birth of the universe.

You have scans here showing that Phoenix is the Big Bang and in the beginning wasnt bird shaped. As thats long established for a retcon to have taken place the Big Bang would have to have been stated to be some other being/force. The F4 comic never did that. I suggest you read it my friend. The scans speak for themselves. Phoenix manifested as the Big Bang and its form came from a later communion with Feron. How can you expect Phoenix to have that bird shape in a comic depicting events prior to that occurrence? Your logic is ridiculous, your argument is garbage and we both know it. 🙂

HAHAHA, is that really the best u can do, ridiculing me wont change facts little one. your mere dismisal doesnt stand in the way of what IS THERE, n the fact is, ur version of pheonix has been proven wrong time n time again. bawling and crying over it wont make a difference, nor will ridiculing and dismissing fair proof.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ok lets end this Leon. Given that its stated on panel that Phoenix didnt get the name or bird shape until long after the birth of the universe there not being a bird shaped Big Bang is really a poor argument, even for you. Its already established that Phoenix is the Big Bang so if you want to argue for your retcon show me where in that title (F4 532) its stated that the Big Bang isnt Phoenix. 😉

Its really not gonna happen is it? Its cool we can forget about this. 🙂

proving yet again that there is no1 on this forum more full of himself than you{n those smileys dont seem to even be hidin it anymore}

Its still nearly impossible to guage Superman Prime
Thats really what it comes down to

Originally posted by leonheartmm
HAHAHA, is that really the best u can do, ridiculing me wont change facts little one. your mere dismisal doesnt stand in the way of what IS THERE, n the fact is, ur version of pheonix has been proven wrong time n time again. bawling and crying over it wont make a difference, nor will ridiculing and dismissing fair proof.

The false laugh doesnt hide the frustration Leon. U have nothing to fall back on. Youre bitter from past threads. So whilst this display is understandable it doesnt stop it from being very pathetic. 😮

You expect the bird form of Phoenix to be around at a time when the comics state and show the bird form of Phoenix didnt exist. Reed and the Bunny time travelled to a point prior to those events. Please get that in2 your head. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The false laugh doesnt hide the frustration Leon. U have nothing to fall back on. Youre bitter from past threads. So whilst this display is understandable it doesnt stop it from being very pathetic. 😮

You expect the bird form of Phoenix to be around at a time when the comics state and show the bird form of Phoenix didnt exist. Reed and the Bunny time travelled to a point prior to those events. Please get that in your head. 🙂

false laugh? lol. dont give urself empty condolences dumass. and if u READ what ive posted ull see that i never once stated that the bunny didnt take both of them in the past. what i SAID was {n open ur ears[if they ever existed in the first place]} that at the CREATION of the universe, the bunny was present, that is eternity. n the PHOENIX{which didnt have to be a firebird, it cud have been jean, heck even a vague REFERENCE wud have been enoug} was NOT. learn to live with it gs. reed and the eternal bunny were the creators, n phoenix was not.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
false laugh? lol. dont give urself empty condolences dumass. and if u READ what ive posted ull see that i never once stated that the bunny didnt take both of them in the past. what i SAID was {n open ur ears[if they ever existed in the first place]} that at the CREATION of the universe, the bunny was present, that is eternity. n the PHOENIX{which didnt have to be a firebird, it cud have been jean, heck even a vague REFERENCE wud have been enoug} was NOT. learn to live with it gs. reed and the eternal bunny were the creators, n phoenix was not.

And yet again you've demonstrated the point that your entire argument is based on a few out of context scans posted by KG who himself went on to admit that he was mistaken. 😉

That story didnt feature anyone creating the universe. That wasnt what it was about. If you read it you'd see it was about why the universe as we know it came into being. The meaning of existence.

Heres an old post of mine for your benefit:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Incorrect KG. As i have shown to posters before your post and as i will now show you:

As you can see from these scans from both F4 531 and 532 respectively,it does NOT say that Reed created the Big Bang. You misread or misinterpreted. Either way it states that Reed and the Entitys desire to understand, their questions on their own existence were what triggered the Big Bang. Theres a difference between triggering something and creating it KG understand that.

If i light a stick of dynamite is the resultant explosion generated by my body? Does it derive from me directly or are my actions merely the catalyst?

Phoenix Force is the energies of creation it manifests as the Big Bang. This latest F4 story arc has revealed to us why and when Phoenix does that thats all.

As actually stated on panel their thoughts triggered it. They didnt create it. It didnt derive from them. Thats the difference. So no Phoenix is not a byproduct of Reed. You were incorrect. Reed and the Entity and Eternity are still very much byproducts of Phoenix the power of creation.

After the creation scene as they travel along the timestream in an attempt to understand life they finally discover the answer:

As we knew Eternitys the embodiment of all life in the universe. Everyone in 616 is an extension of Eternity as much a part of him as the stars. That is stated. Eternitys questions on his own existence were the trigger for the Big Bang. The manifestation of Phoenix. When Reed and the Entity travelled back to the pre 616 void and asked what is the meaning of life when they questioned existence they triggered the Big Bang instead. However it happened in the exact same way as when Eternity did it (prior to their time travelling and interference) because as revealed they are Eternity. They like everyone else are extensions of him. Therefore as stated the reason life was created in Marvel was because Eternity strived to understand his own existence (presumably whilst in the cosmic egg) and that proved to be the catalyst.

Reeds interference resulted in him actually being responsible for the creation of the F4. He was the intelligence behind the cosmic rays.

Eternity triggered off the Big Bang with his pondering and all life in Marvel are extensions of Eternity.

Those things were the revelations of that story arc. Nowhere did it state that Phoenix wasnt the Big Bang and nowhere did it say that Phoenix never created Eternity. As previous accounts all state those points are the case then a retcon hasnt taken place. We just know why and when the Big Bang occurs every creation cycle. 😉

No need to thank me 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And yet again you've demonstrated the point that your entire argument is based on a few out of context scans posted by KG who himself went on to admit that he was mistaken. 😉

That story didnt feature anyone creating the universe. That was what it was about. If you read it you'd see it was about why the universe as we know it came into being.

Heres an old post of mine for your benefit:

No need to thank me 😄

oh no, i didnt base it on any1 else's argument, it was my own simple observation i have read it n it EXPLAINS how the universe came into being{WHICH incidently did NOT name phoeniix as the reason IF u have read the comic} and it ALSO SHOWED the universe coming into being and showed NO phoenix having a hand in making it.

yes but in recent comics she does NOW have a part of the order of the multiverse.

u know gs, there was a reason i stopped from humiliatin ur ass completely in the begginning when u came to killermovies. i cud have but i backed down. u just took advantage of that n didnt stop. im tellin u now to shut the f up n stop with the ridiculin, just because i stay impartialk doesnt mean i have to, ur arguments have been proven wrong DEAL with it. talkin crap about me wont really make ur argument any better. itll only end up pissin me off n makin me stay stuff u dont wanna hear.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
oh no, i didnt base it on any1 else's argument, it was my own simple observation i have read it n it EXPLAINS how the universe came into being{WHICH incidently did NOT name phoeniix as the reason IF u have read the comic} and it ALSO SHOWED the universe coming into being and showed NO phoenix having a hand in making it.

The title supported the long established fact that Phoenix is the Big Bang. It stated that the Big Bang, the energies of creation are the Phoenix.

In Phoenixes bio and in the scans you have seen on this thread it is stated that the form and name of Phoenix came later (the Feron incident) prior to that as stated in its natural state it was just the power of creation.

With all that in mind, with nothing stated that contradicts Phoenix being the Big Bang no retcon took place. 😉

Originally posted by leonheartmm
u know gs, there was a reason i stopped from humiliatin ur ass completely in the begginning when u came to killermovies. i cud have but i backed down. u just took advantage of that n didnt stop. im tellin u now to shut the f up n stop with the ridiculin, just because i stay impartialk doesnt mean i have to, ur arguments have been proven wrong DEAL with it. talkin crap about me wont really make ur argument any better. itll only end up pissin me off n makin me stay stuff u dont wanna hear.

😱 what a joke you are. You really cant be serious 😂

Originally posted by Mider
yes but in recent comics she does NOW have a part of the order of the multiverse.

no she doesnt, she only has power slightly above that of eternity/infinity/death/chaos and order. she is an abstract with a strong role to play in the UNIVERSE, n she has counterparts in the universe. on top of that she has no multiversal feats and the only one that might have been attributed to her was the mkraan crystal one,, but even cyclops is capable of doing that so thats no feat at all anymore.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
😱 what a joke you are. You really cant be serious 😂

cant i u dumass. i can be as serious as i want against sum1 who doesnt give a damn about any1 and would even be as low as to use the most serious things the opposition is goin through to their puny advantage and ridicule em just to boost their own ego n argument.

she has been shown in recent x-men comics to part of the process of replacing ALL the abstracks even the LT this was said to be true by eternity himself.

ur confused. it is said that MUTANTS will replace all the abstracts, NOT the pheonix force. that is omega level mutants. however LT is not an abstract and might not be replaced. even then there are inconsistencies with the concept. since all abstracts are UNIVERSAL while LT is MULTIVERSAL n that wudnt make sense if one omega level mutant turned into the universal eternity while the other turned into the MULTIVERSAL living tribunal.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no she doesnt, she only has power slightly above that of eternity/infinity/death/chaos and order. she is an abstract with a strong role to play in the UNIVERSE, n she has counterparts in the universe. on top of that she has no multiversal feats and the only one that might have been attributed to her was the mkraan crystal one,, but even cyclops is capable of doing that so thats no feat at all anymore.

Cyclops doing that was retconned by Gambit and the X-ternals #3 when Jahf the guardian of the crystal later verified that only Phoenix can handle the crystal. That point is moot. I will remind you about that every time you bring it up. 😉

As stated on panel by Death and as supported by its comparative role Phoenix is not an abstract it is a force that is an embodiment of all life and the power of creation. It manifests to carry its work out at the universal level however its not limited to the universal.

There are many Phoenix manifestations which power the realities of the multiverse, however there is one Phoenix consciousness which resides in the core of creation known as the white hot room which lies beyond the multiverse in the M'kraan crystal as detailed in New X-men. The Phoenix Consciousness is the source from which these manifestations derive from. The Phoenix is a mutable, indestructable energy form which can break off into many seperate forms throughout creation whilst still remaining one entity at the heart.