People doubt T'challa, spidermans new suit wouldn't mean much in this fight, T'challas Anti-metal Claws have cut Through Adamantium, His Vibranium suit has withstood punishment from Hulk, and Iron-Man.
Like Someone said early in this Thread, Panther bested Spiderman Once already, Im not saying Panther is faster then Spidey, but he is faster then Kraven for sure, and Kraven has no problems with laying hands on spiderman.
If this is just a straight up fight, it could go 50/50, due to the fact that T'challa is a better fighter the Pete, and believe it or not if you want to, T'challa thinks better on the fly. He would make Spiderman fight him on his terms, in an enclosed area somewhere so peter could not utilize his surroundings, from there, T'challa enhanced senses and stealth go to work. His Anti-metal claws would disintegrate Spidermans suit, his Energy Daggers and various other gadgets would also come in handy. He would systematically cripple parker, and pete wouldn't even realize it was happening until it was too late, he would make Spiderman think he was doing one thing, only to mask what he was really doing.
Don't doubt T'challa, alot of people on these boards do.
Spider-man's speed and reflex along with his pre-cog is getting downplayed here severely. Kraven wasn't faster than Spider-man, on almost every occassion he also has one-sided prep along with his win coming from his status as a rookie. And if you're saying just because of his vibranium suit, BP is tougher, you should look at the fights spider-man had against with the people you've mentioned without needing his new armor.
And if you're thinking crippling Spider-man through his new suit would work wonders, guess again.
That's from Hobgoblin 2211 who had tech so advanced she can delete people from existence much like OE was supposed to really work(not just teleporting them to oblivion).
Originally posted by Apolloknight
People doubt T'challa, spidermans new suit wouldn't mean much in this fight, T'challas Anti-metal Claws have cut Through Adamantium, His Vibranium suit has withstood punishment from Hulk, and Iron-Man.Like Someone said early in this Thread, Panther bested Spiderman Once already, Im not saying Panther is faster then Spidey, but he is faster then Kraven for sure, and Kraven has no problems with laying hands on spiderman.
If this is just a straight up fight, it could go 50/50, due to the fact that T'challa is a better fighter the Pete, and believe it or not if you want to, T'challa thinks better on the fly. He would make Spiderman fight him on his terms, in an enclosed area somewhere so peter could not utilize his surroundings, from there, T'challa enhanced senses and stealth go to work. His Anti-metal claws would disintegrate Spidermans suit, his Energy Daggers and various other gadgets would also come in handy. He would systematically cripple parker, and pete wouldn't even realize it was happening until it was too late, he would make Spiderman think he was doing one thing, only to mask what he was really doing.
Don't doubt T'challa, alot of people on these boards do.
Don't get me wrong, AK. I definitely do not doubt Black Panther's skills, as you've seen me argue for him in multiple threads against other opponents.
However, against a character like Spider-Man, one that pretty much greatly trumps him in every physical category, well, it just makes it that much more certain that BP is not going to win this.
Again, I love BP. He's a great, skilled character. He could take it to most street levelers. I think he can beat Cap, Daredevil, and Wolverine. But, I cannot see him beating Spider-Man.
Everyone at one point has layed hands on Spidey. But we all know from his feats that he is far faster than that, but was made to happen for comic-book reasons. BP is FAST. Spidey is FASTER. And more agile. And stronger. Better reflexes. Super-strong webbing. Precog. And, in my opinion, a better on-the-fly thinker even. Not by much though.
So, in short, Spider-Man wins this fight 8/10 times.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Spider-man's speed and reflex along with his pre-cog is getting downplayed here severely. Kraven wasn't faster than Spider-man, on almost every occassion he also has one-sided prep along with his win coming from his status as a rookie. And if you're saying just because of his vibranium suit, BP is tougher, you should look at the fights spider-man had against with the people you've mentioned without needing his new armor.And if you're thinking crippling Spider-man through his new suit would work wonders, guess again.
Exactly. On all counts.
And honestly, even without his new costume, Spidey still wins this fight.
Black Panther Systematically Drops Iron-Man, now Iron Man isn't faster then spiderman, but he is Stronger, Note Iron Man says His Suit will absorb blunt Impacts, so He trys to choke him Instead. The one thing I love about this fight is how it shows black panther thinking on the fly, I don't think Peter, or even Batman could figure out the whole CO2 trick.
Now don't get me wrong, Spidey is a different opponent, and I'm not saying T'challa takes the Majority, but he at least gets 3-4 wins in there against Iron Spidey, and yes, his Anti-metal claws will Cut Through his armor, because well, its Armor.
Originally posted by ApolloknightSpiderman makes people fight on his own terms all the time, thats his advantage, only times he doesn't, is when he's jobbing or fighting stupidly... he hardly uses his abilities to the max, which in the forum's case is a big difference. Don't get me wrong, he would win with one sided prep, but in a "I happen to see BP today, he looks guilty, I should stop him!" match, I don't se it happening. BP is underrated, but Spiderman is moreso in many aspects, he beats his opponents physically more often than not, (even when not needing it), so people say he is a dumb combatant to make up for their character's shortcomings, when it is often not him using his brains instead of his brawns to win a match.
People doubt T'challa, spidermans new suit wouldn't mean much in this fight, T'challas Anti-metal Claws have cut Through Adamantium, His Vibranium suit has withstood punishment from Hulk, and Iron-Man.Like Someone said early in this Thread, Panther bested Spiderman Once already, Im not saying Panther is faster then Spidey, but he is faster then Kraven for sure, and Kraven has no problems with laying hands on spiderman.
If this is just a straight up fight, it could go 50/50, due to the fact that T'challa is a better fighter the Pete, and believe it or not if you want to, T'challa thinks better on the fly. He would make Spiderman fight him on his terms, in an enclosed area somewhere so peter could not utilize his surroundings, from there, T'challa enhanced senses and stealth go to work. His Anti-metal claws would disintegrate Spidermans suit, his Energy Daggers and various other gadgets would also come in handy. He would systematically cripple parker, and pete wouldn't even realize it was happening until it was too late, he would make Spiderman think he was doing one thing, only to mask what he was really doing.
Don't doubt T'challa, alot of people on these boards do.
Originally posted by ApolloknightHmm... I was thinking maybe 3-4 against non-iron Spidey, what do you see in that case?Black Panther Systematically Drops Iron-Man, now Iron Man isn't faster then spiderman, but he is Stronger, Note Iron Man says His Suit will absorb blunt Impacts, so He trys to choke him Instead. The one thing I love about this fight is how it shows black panther thinking on the fly, I don't think Peter, or even Batman could figure out the whole CO2 trick.
Now don't get me wrong, Spidey is a different opponent, and I'm not saying T'challa takes the Majority, but he at least gets 3-4 wins in there against Iron Spidey, and yes, his Anti-metal claws will Cut Through his armor, because well, its Armor.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Black Panther Systematically Drops Iron-Man, now Iron Man isn't faster then spiderman, but he is Stronger, Note Iron Man says His Suit will absorb blunt Impacts, so He trys to choke him Instead. The one thing I love about this fight is how it shows black panther thinking on the fly, I don't think Peter, or even Batman could figure out the whole CO2 trick.Now don't get me wrong, Spidey is a different opponent, and I'm not saying T'challa takes the Majority, but he at least gets 3-4 wins in there against Iron Spidey, and yes, his Anti-metal claws will Cut Through his armor, because well, its Armor.
Under normal conditions, Spider-Man would win, because he is Black Panther and more, but I realize BP is not to be underestimated. I agree with 3 wins for BP.
All the rest goes to Spider-Man.
Originally posted by ApolloknightBlack Panther Systematically Drops Iron-Man, now Iron Man isn't faster then spiderman, but he is Stronger, Note Iron Man says His Suit will absorb blunt Impacts, so He trys to choke him Instead. The one thing I love about this fight is how it shows black panther thinking on the fly, I don't think Peter, or even Batman could figure out the whole CO2 trick.
Now don't get me wrong, Spidey is a different opponent, and I'm not saying T'challa takes the Majority, but he at least gets 3-4 wins in there against Iron Spidey, and yes, his Anti-metal claws will Cut Through his armor, because well, its Armor.
First off, his claws has to **catch** spider-man, something spider-man has the advantage of having pre-cog to tell him when to dodge and has a history and feats of escaping bullets and other faster projectiles.
secondly, BP isn't the only Marvel character who can think on the fly and his showing against Ironman denotes an extensive knowledge on what he's dealing.
thirdly, BP manages to defeat him(Tony) only with an exploitable weakness, a knowledge shared being Tony's friend. Something Spider-man doesn't really have anything to be exploited with. He has already had a protocol he knew tony knows about and would hate if he used it against him.
Fourth, Spider-man doesn't really rely to much on the armor and fights differently than Ironman. BP also has a relatively longer periods to know Ironman personally being with the Avengers long before.
Fifth, if that was pre-extremis IM, he is much slower than pete specially on fights. Just look at how Spidey was fighting Ironmaniac from the recent MU teamup.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spiderman makes people fight on his own terms all the time, thats his advantage, only times he doesn't, is when he's jobbing or fighting stupidly... he hardly uses his abilities to the max, which in the forum's case is a big difference. Don't get me wrong, he would win with one sided prep, but in a "I happen to see BP today, he looks guilty, I should stop him!" match, I don't se it happening. BP is underrated, but Spiderman is moreso in many aspects, he beats his opponents physically more often than not, (even when not needing it), so people say he is a dumb combatant to make up for their character's shortcomings, when it is often not him using his brains instead of his brawns to win a match.Hmm... I was thinking maybe 3-4 against non-iron Spidey, what do you see in that case?
Agaisnt a Non-Iron Spidey, It would be a very good fight, Spiderman is faster, Stronger, and more agile then panther, but panther is not far behind, he has shown it in the way he fights, jumping off walls, blackflips and such. Plus BP has been trained since he was a boy in combat. Even still, Spidey takes a slight majority, I dont see how BP is gonna get around Spideys webbing if he ties him up, although BP claws could cut Through it, All Spiderman would need is a few seconds to toss him around and try and get to KO. Peters Strength wont count for much in this fight, Ironman even said his punches were going to be of little effect against T'challa, and BP was withstood a few blows from the Hulk in his suit.
Originally posted by who?-kid
Cool fight, but I smell a bit of PIS (let's face it, Iron Man could have killed Black Panther when he wanted, instead of just talking to him) and I'm not sure what to think of Black Panters bag of tools...Under normal conditions, Spider-Man would win, because he is Black Panther and more, but I realize BP is not to be underestimated. I agree with 3 wins for BP.
All the rest goes to Spider-Man.
Its not really PIS, Iron Man couldnt just Kill Panther if he wanted, he even states his punches werent going to do much to him so he tried to choke him, or in other words, get the KO. That didnt work now did it.
Black Panther outsmarts tony in this fight, a fight where Ironman was superiour in every aspect but thinking.
Heck the suit Ironman was wearing was even designed to take out Blackpanther, it reacts to his Claws so he can cut Through him.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Agaisnt a Non-Iron Spidey, It would be a very good fight, Spiderman is faster, Stronger, and more agile then panther, but panther is not far behind, he has shown it in the way he fights, jumping off walls, blackflips and such. Plus BP has been trained since he was a boy in combat. Even still, Spidey takes a slight majority, I dont see how BP is gonna get around Spideys webbing if he ties him up, although BP claws could cut Through it, All Spiderman would need is a few seconds to toss him around and try and get to KO. Peters Strength wont count for much in this fight, Ironman even said his punches were going to be of little effect against T'challa, and BP was withstood a few blows from the Hulk in his suit.Its not really PIS, Iron Man couldnt just Kill Panther if he wanted, he even states his punches werent going to do much to him so he tried to choke him, or in other words, get the KO. That didnt work now did it.
Black Panther outsmarts tony in this fight, a fight where Ironman was superiour in every aspect but thinking.
Heck the suit Ironman was wearing was even designed to take out Blackpanther, it reacts to his Claws so he can cut Through him.
The only way he won that fight was using Tony's own tech against him(a negator he stole) also considering Tony was holding back at the time not wanting to use anything lethal. It was a low blow Stark wasn't really expecting.
Anyway, what speed feats does T'challa to have the status of not being that far behind spider-man? just curious. I thought the heart-shaped herb only gave him peak human speed, reflex, etc.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Agaisnt a Non-Iron Spidey, It would be a very good fight, Spiderman is faster, Stronger, and more agile then panther, but panther is not far behind, he has shown it in the way he fights, jumping off walls, blackflips and such. Plus BP has been trained since he was a boy in combat. Even still, Spidey takes a slight majority, I dont see how BP is gonna get around Spideys webbing if he ties him up, although BP claws could cut Through it, All Spiderman would need is a few seconds to toss him around and try and get to KO. Peters Strength wont count for much in this fight, Ironman even said his punches were going to be of little effect against T'challa, and BP was withstood a few blows from the Hulk in his suit.Its not really PIS, Iron Man couldnt just Kill Panther if he wanted, he even states his punches werent going to do much to him so he tried to choke him, or in other words, get the KO. That didnt work now did it.
Black Panther outsmarts tony in this fight, a fight where Ironman was superiour in every aspect but thinking.
What they're trying to say is that Iron Man COULD'VE killed Black Panther with a much faster choke than the one he applied. Basically, crushing the larynx and/or snapping the neck.
But, again, don't get me wrong. BP showed some amazing skill in that fight, as well as amazing resourcefulness. I never said he didn't exhibit those qualities. It's just that it's not enough to take down regular Spidey or Iron Spidey.
The Iron costume doesn't hinder Spidey in anyway either. He's still as fast and agile as he ever was. And with Spidey's physical upgrade, he's even faster and more agile than he once was.
Black Panther is good, good enough to land about 2/10 wins here if there is some crazy plot device on his side, but Spidey (Iron or not) definitely pulls 8/10 wins here.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
What they're trying to say is that Iron Man COULD'VE killed Black Panther with a much faster choke than the one he applied. Basically, crushing the larynx and/or snapping the neck.But, again, don't get me wrong. BP showed some amazing skill in that fight, as well as amazing resourcefulness. I never said he didn't exhibit those qualities. It's just that it's not enough to take down regular Spidey or Iron Spidey.
The Iron costume doesn't hinder Spidey in anyway either. He's still as fast and agile as he ever was. And with Spidey's physical upgrade, he's even faster and more agile than he once was.
Black Panther is good, good enough to land about 2/10 wins here if there is some crazy plot device on his side, but Spidey (Iron or not) definitely pulls 8/10 wins here.
But he couldn't just Break his neck, as the vibranium nullifies blunt impacts, he had to slowly apply the pressure to negate the effects of the vibranium suit.
Thing is, he is class 15 and not an ordinary human. Vibe armor only absorbs blunt trauma like you said. He could just outmaneuver him and twist BP's neck when he's on the right position.
But considering he's not a killer, i doubt he'd do that. He can just forcibly rip the vibranium suit first(which would be damn humorous in a fight but not totally out of character for pete) and lay him a good one.
