whos stronger superman or hulk??

Originally posted by dvampire
SSJ3 Goku was only able to lift halve a city in the manga and he had trouble doing that, he never showed any strength feat in the anime at ssj3, Supes is far stronger than that, and much faster to. SSJ4 Goku had trouble out beating Omega Shinrons energy blast, Supes has out beaten energy blasts and is light speed. Goku at ssj3/4 also lose too much energy that he won't last long against Superman. And Supes is very good in H2h combat. And a Heat Vision blast whould melt the skin off of any of them; ssj4 Goku couldn't even take the tempature of Nova Shinron. Supes, Thor, and Hulk is just more powerful.

Speed- Supes

Durability- Supes

Long range attacks- Draw

Stamina- Supes

Supe wins. 😐

Screw SS4 and G.T. its totally out of context. Its like using the cartoon Superman. Dont bring him up again. I tell you what, if Goku can lift up half a city he's stronger than alot of Characters who give superman trouble. Since when has Captain Marvel ever done anything that Impressive, Or even Doomsday.

Long Range attacks is Draw, what a Joke. I know supes could potentially heat up an entire planet with Heat vision, that is nothing compared, to Gokus lowest form attacks. Even in SS1 Goku can blow up a plannet. God knows how many times stronger SS3 is? Superman is hurt badly after Nuclear attacks. How many Nukes does it take to blow up a plannet? A f@cking LOT!!!!!!!!

I'll admit that supes is good at H2h but Goku is on the same level as Bats, If not better.

Ill admit Goku would have to be SS3 to beat Superman in H2h, but he could still do it.

Originally posted by yahman
Screw SS4 and G.T. its totally out of context. Its like using the cartoon Superman. Dont bring him up again. I tell you what, if Goku can lift up half a city he's stronger than alot of Characters who give superman trouble. Since when has Captain Marvel ever done anything that Impressive, Or even Doomsday.

Long Range attacks is Draw, what a Joke. I know supes could potentially heat up an entire planet with Heat vision, that is nothing compared, to Gokus lowest form attacks. Even in SS1 Goku can blow up a plannet. God knows how many times stronger SS3 is? Superman is hurt badly after Nuclear attacks. How many Nukes does it take to blow up a plannet? A f@cking LOT!!!!!!!!

I'll admit that supes is good at H2h but Goku is on the same level as Bats, If not better.

Ill admit Goku would have to be SS3 to beat Superman in H2h, but he could still do it.

Superman fought Elite a being whos attacks powerful enough to crush stars, Supes beat him, Supes got knocked through the planet as was still fine, and has gotten knock from Earths surface to the Moon and was still fighting. Superman has survived a passage through a black hole, worm hole, sun eater at ground zero, a blast capable at the minimum a destroying havle a galaxy, and has taken 100,000,000 megaton bomb point blank while on the moon explosion, he is far more durable than any DBZ/GT character.

SSJ3/4 Goku was only able to lift halve a city, that's nothing compared to Supes, and his punches and kicks won't be able to really put Superman down. Supes has gotten trianning in Kryptonian MAs, Mongul II, Batman (and Goku isn't close to being a better MAs than Batman), Wonder Woman, and has been fighting all his life; he's no amature at fighting.

Far as I am concerned planet busting isn't a feat. The only thing really impressive the Z-fighters have done pre-SS is planet bust and when you take that out you got nothing.

Why I don't like planet buster:
1)No way to tell how hard it is to blow up a planet since you have nothing to compare it to.
2)Blast and attacks performed by characters waaaaaaaaaaaaaay stronger than charaters and blast that have 'busted planets" have hit the earth with no effect.
a) Blast by Nappa makes a crator in the ground instead of blowing a chunk out the planet.
b) Spirit Bomb that hit Freeza hit and exploded in the ground and only left a crater instead of blowing up the planet.
c) Durring the andriod saga they were so much stronger than win they first started there wasn't any comparison, yet blast/punchs/characters being rammed into the ground only destroyed island and caves.
d)There are TONs of times when a blast has simply left a crator in a mountain instead on destroying it or even going all the way through the moutain to the other side.

Once you take out planet busting what exactly has ssj3/4 Goku or any Z fighter at that lvl done that is so impressive?

Yep. Supes can use Heat Vision, 5-6000 degrees is enough to melt every single cell. If that's not enough (I'm sure it's though) he can always amp it up to even greater tempatures. Supes can also just stand over him, sraying him with Heat Vision too.

http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/4251/supes1mv.jpg

Supes shoots a beam of low-intensity Heat Vision at the Moon. People in the watch tower was blinded except for Plastic Man cause sense he had shades on. The Moon is very far from Earth, this shows the range Supes Heat Vision has.

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/2403/supermansheatvision28li.jpg

In this pic it shows that Supes Heat Vision stated by them, "his vision is off the charts by any standard scientific measures". They can measure how hot a star is, but they cannot measure the temp of Supermans Heat Vision.

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/6825/supermansheatvision38lq.jpg

In Superman #167: his power waning under a red sun, but he still summoned enough Heat Vision to successfully power Jor-ELs planet-moving ion engines.The in this case had a mass 16 times that of Earth's.

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/5113/supermansheatvision11dl.jpg

In this pic, Superman is flying by the sun to stop the Cannabal planet from destroying the sun.

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/9690/supermansheatvison1qm.jpg

SSJ4 Goku had trouble with Nova Shinrons heat, I think Supes whould melt Buu with no problem at all if he wants to. I must thank Snoop for some impressive pics😐

lol. This has turned into Superman vs Goku. I'll go with Superman. 😉

Ill side with Goku. The man takes at least mountain blasts in the face and keeps going.

And dammit, Gt isent cannon. Toryama never made it. Whats the point. 😉 Its a fanfic.

"Far as I am concerned planet busting isn't a feat. The only thing really impressive the Z-fighters have done pre-SS is planet bust and when you take that out you got nothing."

So you agree they have those feats.

"Blast and attacks performed by characters waaaaaaaaaaaaaay stronger than charaters and blast that have 'busted planets" have hit the earth with no effect"

Like vegeta ready to destroy earth? Or Cell? Or Buu that actually did it without even trowing a punch. Or killing most of earths population except for 3? Or Freeza that made Namek actually explode?

"Yep. Supes can use Heat Vision, 5-6000 degrees is enough to melt every single cell"

And yet pll who get blasted by his heat vision get up and continue to fight. Like Captain Marvel who took a blast in the face and still made Superman bleed. Superman/Batman #4.

"There are TONs of times when a blast has simply left a crator in a mountain instead on destroying it or even going all the way through the moutain to the other side."

Nappa when arrived destroyed a whole city. Theyr punches have destroyed whole mountains. And the moon was totally destroyed twice in the manga. Early at that. Whats to compare?

And yeah its like another thread just popped up angel_not

Originally posted by olympian
Ill side with Goku. The man takes at least mountain blasts in the face and keeps going.

And dammit, Gt isent cannon. Toryama never made it. Whats the point. 😉 Its a fanfic.

"Far as I am concerned planet busting isn't a feat. The only thing really impressive the Z-fighters have done pre-SS is planet bust and when you take that out you got nothing."

So you agree they have those feats.

"Blast and attacks performed by characters waaaaaaaaaaaaaay stronger than charaters and blast that have 'busted planets" have hit the earth with no effect"

Like vegeta ready to destroy earth? Or Cell? Or Buu that actually did it without even trowing a punch. Or killing most of earths population except for 3? Or Freeza that made Namek actually explode?

"Yep. Supes can use Heat Vision, 5-6000 degrees is enough to melt every single cell"

And yet pll who get blasted by his heat vision get up and continue to fight. Like Captain Marvel who took a blast in the face and still made Superman bleed. Superman/Batman #4.

"There are TONs of times when a blast has simply left a crator in a mountain instead on destroying it or even going all the way through the moutain to the other side."

Nappa when arrived destroyed a whole city. Theyr punches have destroyed whole mountains. And the moon was totally destroyed twice in the manga. Early at that. Whats to compare?

And yeah its like another thread just popped up angel_not

Like I said not an immpressive feat. Supes wins in strength, durability, stamina, and speed. And GT is cannon. 🙂

"Like I said not an immpressive feat. Supes wins in strength, durability, stamina, and speed."

What is - not - an impressive feat? Busting cities and planets? Busting moons? Destroying mountains in theyr fights? Care to tell me when Superman did all that - casually -?

Even better when has he post crisis ever destroyed a planet.

Superman only advantage is raw strenght. And they can amp to levels necessary to perform the feats i listed. Combat speed theyr faster. Figthing skills way above Supes.

And give me proof that Gt is cannon. Or admit it isent.

Originally posted by olympian
"Like I said not an immpressive feat. Supes wins in strength, durability, stamina, and speed."

What is - not - an impressive feat? Busting cities and planets? Busting moons? Destroying mountains in theyr fights? Care to tell me when Superman did all that - casually -?

Even better when has he post crisis ever destroyed a planet.

Superman only advantage is raw strenght. And they can amp to levels necessary to perform the feats i listed. Combat speed theyr faster. Figthing skills way above Supes.

And give me proof that Gt is cannon. Or admit it isent.

Supes is far stronger (lift small moons and push planets), Supes vibrates through Doomsdays fire breath, he moves so fast that he can vibrate himself invisible, none of the DBZ/GT characters do anything like that. Supes has taken star destroying attacks, survived passage through a black hole, worm hole, survived a sun eater at ground zero, survived a blast capable of destroying halve a galaxy, flew threw a moon without being hurt, has gotten hit from Earth to the Moon, and survived getting hit through the Earth.

Supes is a very good fighter. And GT is cannon because it takes place after DBZ. Now you admit that it's part of the stroy. And give me some strength, speed and durablility feats (even though I already know every thing about them). Like I said Supes, Thor, and Hulk, whould beat any of them.

Strength- Supes

Speed- Supes

Durability- Supes

Stamina- Supes

🙂

"SSJ3/4 Goku was only able to lift halve a city, that's nothing compared to Supes, and his punches and kicks won't be able to really put Superman down. Supes has gotten trianning in Kryptonian MAs, Mongul II, Batman (and Goku isn't close to being a better MAs than Batman), Wonder Woman, and has been fighting all his life; he's no amature at fighting."

Now even you are admitting that this might have been SS4. If it is ss4 it doesn't count. Therefore we have never seen the limits of SS3.

"Now you admit that it's part of the stroy."

No its cannon, It was made up by Japanese animators, It doesn't COUNT. We are talking about the La Manga comic character.

"Superman fought Elite a being whos attacks powerful enough to crush stars, Supes beat him, Supes got knocked through the planet as was still fine, and has gotten knock from Earths surface to the Moon and was still fighting. Superman has survived a passage through a black hole, worm hole, sun eater at ground zero, a blast capable at the minimum a destroying havle a galaxy, and has taken 100,000,000 megaton bomb point blank while on the moon explosion, he is far more durable than any DBZ/GT character. "

Is all this Post Crisis Superman?

I mean a 100,000 000 megaton bomb, W.T.F.?

A blast capable of destroying Half the galaxy, W.T.F.?

That is the type of crap that used to feature in Pre Crisis comics.

But Ill admit, you have convinced me that Supes would probably win.

Though I still believe that Goku is far superior to most of the people that Superman Fights.

Originally posted by yahman
"SSJ3/4 Goku was only able to lift halve a city, that's nothing compared to Supes, and his punches and kicks won't be able to really put Superman down. Supes has gotten trianning in Kryptonian MAs, Mongul II, Batman (and Goku isn't close to being a better MAs than Batman), Wonder Woman, and has been fighting all his life; he's no amature at fighting."

Now even you are admitting that this might have been SS4. If it is ss4 it doesn't count. Therefore we have never seen the limits of SS3.

"Now you admit that it's part of the stroy."

No its cannon, It was made up by Japanese animators, It doesn't COUNT. We are talking about the La Manga comic character.

"Superman fought Elite a being whos attacks powerful enough to crush stars, Supes beat him, Supes got knocked through the planet as was still fine, and has gotten knock from Earths surface to the Moon and was still fighting. Superman has survived a passage through a black hole, worm hole, sun eater at ground zero, a blast capable at the minimum a destroying havle a galaxy, and has taken 100,000,000 megaton bomb point blank while on the moon explosion, he is far more durable than any DBZ/GT character. "

Is all this Post Crisis Superman?

I mean a 100,000 000 megaton bomb, W.T.F.?

A blast capable of destroying Half the galaxy, W.T.F.?

That is the type of crap that used to feature in Pre Crisis comics.

But Ill admit, you have convinced me that Supes would probably win.

Though I still believe that Goku is far superior to most of the people that Superman Fights.

You do see ssj3 Goku limits in the manga, when he could barely lift halve a city. Those are all Post-Crisis feats I listed, I never use Pre-Crisis Supes in a vs. battle. 🙂

"Supes is far stronger (lift small moons and push planets)"

Superman cant push planets, he needs a plot device to do it. Dbz cant lift planets either but they can destroy them. Wich Superman cant.

"he moves so fast that he can vibrate himself invisible, none of the DBZ/GT characters do anything like that"

And here you already show you never read the manga or saw the anime. Ill give you a hint. They wer already doing those speed combat feats in the first world tournment.

"Now you admit that it's part of the stroy."

I told you to give me proof. Gt isent cannon by the very simple reason the creator of the manga ( - the original source - ) wasent involved. It was a animated fanfic. The real story according to the creator ( Toryama) finished after Buu. Now get me a proof of the other way around and not just your opinion.

"You do see ssj3 Goku limits in the manga, when he could barely lift halve a city."

Android 20 who is weaker then guys post Cell destroyed a city on its own. Strengh here doesnt matter much when theyr firepower is montrous.
And in the Buu final fight at the gods planet he pushed two huge mountains apart that wer about to smash him. And they get hit with plenetary level blasts. They arent below in durability. Superman D is higher but theyr soak damage ability excelles that.

"Supes has taken star destroying attacks, survived passage through a black hole, worm hole, survived a sun eater at ground zero, survived a blast capable of destroying halve a galaxy, flew threw a moon without being hurt, has gotten hit from Earth to the Moon, and survived getting hit through the Earth. "

Where did he took a blast able to destroy half a galaxy. Issue Number or scan. "flew trew the moon "? A figther in the beggining of Db destroyed the moon. zap. Wasent there until it was wished back and got blasted again. When one of the major figthes powers up its felt in Earth. Nevermind when they fight.

Originally posted by olympian
"Supes is far stronger (lift small moons and push planets)"

Superman cant push planets, he needs a plot device to do it. Dbz cant lift planets either but they can destroy them. Wich Superman cant.

"he moves so fast that he can vibrate himself invisible, none of the DBZ/GT characters do anything like that"

And here you already show you never read the manga or saw the anime. Ill give you a hint. They wer already doing those speed combat feats in the first world tournment.

"Now you admit that it's part of the stroy."

I told you to give me proof. Gt isent cannon by the very simple reason the creator of the manga ( - the original source - ) wasent involved. It was a animated fanfic. The real story according to the creator ( Toryama) finished after Buu. Now get me a proof of the other way around and not just your opinion.

"You do see ssj3 Goku limits in the manga, when he could barely lift halve a city."

Android 20 who is weaker then guys post Cell destroyed a city on its own. Strengh here doesnt matter much when theyr firepower is montrous.
And in the Buu final fight at the gods planet he pushed two huge mountains apart that wer about to smash him. And they get hit with plenetary level blasts. They arent below in durability. Superman D is higher but theyr soak damage ability excelles that.

"Supes has taken star destroying attacks, survived passage through a black hole, worm hole, survived a sun eater at ground zero, survived a blast capable of destroying halve a galaxy, flew threw a moon without being hurt, has gotten hit from Earth to the Moon, and survived getting hit through the Earth. "

Where did he took a blast able to destroy half a galaxy. Issue Number or scan. "flew trew the moon "? A figther in the beggining of Db destroyed the moon. zap. Wasent there until it was wished back and got blasted again. When one of the major figthes powers up its felt in Earth. Nevermind when they fight.

I'm done debating now, Supes done all of those feats I've listed, I thought you knew every thing about him. 🙄 So you don't need an issue number. You must be a DBZ/GT fanboy, so I'll just drop the topic (atleast I got some people to change there minds). Supes, Thor, and Hulk whould beat any DBZ/GT character, and they take planetary and star destroying attacks all the time, nobody in DBZ/GT can take anything like that, they can't even take blows from guys that could barly lift halve a city; one punch from Supes, Thor, and Hulk whould KO them. There punches and kicks some times does more than there energy attacks aswell. 👆

"I'm done debating now, Supes done all of those feats I've listed, I thought you knew every thing about him. So you don't need an issue number"

So you dont know.

"You must be a DBZ/GT fanboy, so I'll just drop the topic (atleast I got some people to change there minds)"

Im a poster that debates what i see as wrong or that i - know - as wrong. Since you provide anything to counter what i said, ill have to assume your doing the correct. Give up the topic since you dont know anything about it.

Oh and i cant be a Gt fanboy because - it doesnt matter, its crap, its not cannon, i could care less-

"Supes, Thor, and Hulk whould beat any DBZ/GT character, and they take planetary and star destroying attacks all the time, "

Sure they do. All the time. Except when they are busy with corporate bussiness men, the army that wants to get you or your father whos always getting into your head. the only one i give good odds is Thor.

"nobody in DBZ/GT can take anything like that"

Except they did. Read the Manga. Its there.

"they can't even take blows from guys that could barly lift halve a city"

Oh yes correct. They take punches of beings who do alot more than level cities.

"There punches and kicks some times does more than there energy attacks aswell"

Yeah, now if they only wer as skilled as these guys and had theyr combat speed. Now that would rock.

Move on to the next topic, this one is done.

Originally posted by olympian
"I'm done debating now, Supes done all of those feats I've listed, I thought you knew every thing about him. So you don't need an issue number"

So you dont know.

"You must be a DBZ/GT fanboy, so I'll just drop the topic (atleast I got some people to change there minds)"

Im a poster that debates what i see as wrong or that i - know - as wrong. Since you provide anything to counter what i said, ill have to assume your doing the correct. Give up the topic since you dont know anything about it.

Oh and i cant be a Gt fanboy because - it doesnt matter, its crap, its not cannon, i could care less-

"Supes, Thor, and Hulk whould beat any DBZ/GT character, and they take planetary and star destroying attacks all the time, "

Sure they do. All the time. Except when they are busy with corporate bussiness men, the army that wants to get you or your father whos always getting into your head. the only one i give good odds is Thor.

"nobody in DBZ/GT can take anything like that"

Except they did. Read the Manga. Its there.

"they can't even take blows from guys that could barly lift halve a city"

Oh yes correct. They take punches of beings who do alot more than level cities.

"There punches and kicks some times does more than there energy attacks aswell"

Yeah, now if they only wer as skilled as these guys and had theyr combat speed. Now that would rock.

Move on to the next topic, this one is done.

I do have the issues, but I shouldn't have to tell somebody who should already know right? 😉 And Supes, Thor, and Hulk wins. They are just physically out of there league, and have the fighting skills to back up. And I have the original manga and DB-GT episodes. 🙂

"I do have the issues, but I shouldn't have to tell somebody who should already know right"

Since i dont have that one i asked. Of course it must be something not that important after all, since you dont even remember the issue.

"And I have the original manga and DB-GT episodes"

Gt isent original in anything. And what did you do to them? You didnt saw them thats for sure.

Move on mate.

again with the Goku/DBZ/blahblahblah talk....

it's about Hulk & Superman!

Originally posted by olympian
"I do have the issues, but I shouldn't have to tell somebody who should already know right"

Since i dont have that one i asked. Of course it must be something not that important after all, since you dont even remember the issue.

"And I have the original manga and DB-GT episodes"

Gt isent original in anything. And what did you do to them? You didnt saw them thats for sure.

Move on mate.

Raditz Saga- It took Goku, Piccolo, and Gohan

Vegeta saga- Goku defeats nappa with ease, but needed help with Vegeta. It took Goku, Yajirobe, Gohan, And Krillin.

Freeza saga- Goku was no match until Freeza killed krillin, that made Goku angery which unlock his hidden potencial to become ssj Goku.

Cell saga- He gave up and Gohan finished Cell.

Buu saga- Everybody

Baby saga- It took Goku, Pan, Trunks, Goten, and Gohan

Super 17 saga- Goku (after he lost badly) and 18

Shinron saga- It was alot of fights that Goku lost and won.

Goku always need help in his fights.

Supes feats:

In Action Comics #696, Superman survived passage through a cosmic wormhole.

In JLA:Created Equal, book 2, Superman survived passage through a blackhole.

Man of Steel #30: Standing on Earth's surface, Superman punched Lobo into orbit with one punch.

In JLA/Starbreaker, the "destructive force of a nova" couldn't destroy Supes.

In JLA #41, Superman absorbed the energy of the Mageddon Warhead, a device capable, at the minimum, vaporizing half a galaxy.

In Aventures of Superman #477, Superman survived the destruction of a sun eater, at ground zero.

In Adventures of Superman #581, Superman allowed Adversary, a powerful magical foe, to hit him as hard as he could, without retaliation. Supes was halfway across the planet from Metropolis to China, and he was fine.

In Superman #181, Superman and Bizarro swhiched bodys; Superman (in Bizarros body) punched Bizarro (in Supes body) completely through the Earth and out the other end. Superman was slammed in through the ground in Metropolis and came out two panels later in China. He was showed ripping straight through the Earths crust, mantle, and core, and coming out on the other side of the planet. Both of them was still ready to fight after that.

Action Comics #775: Alone in combat, Superman faced down and authoritatively defeated the Elite. Elite tore one of Neptune's moons in half, and, at least according to John Henry Iron's (a technological genius) readings, tossed around enough power to "ignite a star".

Action comics Annual #7: Alone, Superman defeated alien Armadas twice, each capable of destroying a planet.

JLA:World War Three stroy-line: Superman was chained to the endless millwheels of the Mageddon machinery. His strength was used to move the gears of a weapon whose size dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon system.

Superman is way more powerful than any DBZ/GT characters, they're no where close to Supes or people he fights league. Halve a city or push a building is nothing compared to what Supes done.

Supes, Thor, and Hulk whould whoop any of them. Maybe it's time for you to move on. GT is part of the stroy, so it's cannon. 😉 😆

Ill only use this example:

"Raditz Saga- It took Goku, Piccolo, and Gohan"

Hunter Prey Doomsday- It took Superman, Winryder, Darkseid and the planet protector. And oops they didnt beat him.

GT is part of the stroy, so it's cannon."

😆

So Superman being beaten to a pulp in Kingdom Come is cannon as well. And the best part it took only one man.

Your all fun, i tell you that.

This thread is silly!
Both of their strengths are variable.
The question should be "Who has the potential of being the strongest?".
That question even depends on whether Superman can go into the sun.

Here's why:

Action Comics #782: Superman’s greatest ever feat of raw power. After flying through the sun for an increase in power, SUPERMAN MOVES A PLANET. Specifically, WarWorld, home of Braniac. But there’s more. Braniac has stolen the energy of Imperiex. Imperiex gained his power from the consumption of thousands of whole galaxies since the dawn of time. Hence his universal reputation as the “Devourer of Galaxies”. It is argued that Braniac wasn’t resisting Superman’s push, and that Superman was “merely” moving a planet. This is directly contradicted by Braniac’s narrative: “Full thrust counter-measure! How is he moving my planet? The Kryptonian does not have that power!” The panel clearly shows the blue Imperiex energies firing from WarWorld’s engines. Yes, Superman was resisting the awesome Imperiex-begotten force, and pushed WarWorld through a boom tube to the beginning of time (big bang).
Note that this example confirms what we’ve suspected all along: that whatever the role that metabolized solar energy stores play in granting Superman his powers, he is obviously accessing power beyond that of the solar energies he can absorb. A few minutes in the sun is piddling compared to thousands of galaxies of power. (All of Superman’s feats listed here exceed the energy he could have gleaned from 30 years of absorbed sunlight, BTW.) Apparently the solar energy is either “hypermetabolized” (as per JLA scribe Grant Morrison), indicating energy generation via Unified Field/Big Bang, or the metabolized solar energy allows access to his deeper power, likely psionic in nature (as per John Byrne).

Please note that the examples above are of Post-Crisis Superman based on the John Byrne version.

So Superman's powers are most likely psionic (based off his will power).
Thus combining that with him staying in the sun for a sufficient amount of time his potential becomes undefined.

Now we all know that Hulk gets stronger in direct proportion to his anger.
So the question is "Can Hulk get infinitely strong?"
The answer to that is no. There is definitely a limit to how angry someone or thing (with a cranium) can get. If Hulk can get infinitely strong then he must get infinitely angry. This cannot happen. For it contradicts "Infinity".
If one reaches infinity that would mean that infinity had a end. But infinity doesn't have an end.

With that being said then Neither has the greatest potential. Since both will continue to get stronger (variable).

But if Superman is not allowed to go into the sun then Hulk easily has the greatest potential.

If we are talking about their starting strength and not their potential then Superman easily is stronger.

If we are talking about their average strength then Superman easily is stronger here as well.

Thus a more well defined question must be formed.

good answer, makes more sense than the fanboyism shown before

Originally posted by h1a8
This thread is silly!
Both of their strengths are variable.
The question should be "Who has the potential of being the strongest?".
That question even depends on whether Superman can go into the sun.

Here's why:

Action Comics #782: Superman’s greatest ever feat of raw power. After flying through the sun for an increase in power, SUPERMAN MOVES A PLANET. Specifically, WarWorld, home of Braniac. But there’s more. Braniac has stolen the energy of Imperiex. Imperiex gained his power from the consumption of thousands of whole galaxies since the dawn of time. Hence his universal reputation as the “Devourer of Galaxies”. It is argued that Braniac wasn’t resisting Superman’s push, and that Superman was “merely” moving a planet. This is directly contradicted by Braniac’s narrative: “Full thrust counter-measure! How is he moving my planet? The Kryptonian does not have that power!” The panel clearly shows the blue Imperiex energies firing from WarWorld’s engines. Yes, Superman was resisting the awesome Imperiex-begotten force, and pushed WarWorld through a boom tube to the beginning of time (big bang).
Note that this example confirms what we’ve suspected all along: that whatever the role that metabolized solar energy stores play in granting Superman his powers, he is obviously accessing power beyond that of the solar energies he can absorb. A few minutes in the sun is piddling compared to thousands of galaxies of power. (All of Superman’s feats listed here exceed the energy he could have gleaned from 30 years of absorbed sunlight, BTW.) Apparently the solar energy is either “hypermetabolized” (as per JLA scribe Grant Morrison), indicating energy generation via Unified Field/Big Bang, or the metabolized solar energy allows access to his deeper power, likely psionic in nature (as per John Byrne).

Please note that the examples above are of Post-Crisis Superman based on the John Byrne version.

So Superman's powers are most likely psionic (based off his will power).
Thus combining that with him staying in the sun for a sufficient amount of time his potential becomes undefined.

Now we all know that Hulk gets stronger in direct proportion to his anger.
So the question is "Can Hulk get infinitely strong?"
The answer to that is no. There is definitely a limit to how angry someone or thing (with a cranium) can get. If Hulk can get infinitely strong then he must get infinitely angry. This cannot happen. For it contradicts "Infinity".
If one reaches infinity that would mean that infinity had a end. But infinity doesn't have an end.

With that being said then Neither has the greatest potential. Since both will continue to get stronger (variable).

But if Superman is not allowed to go into the sun then Hulk easily has the greatest potential.

If we are talking about their starting strength and not their potential then Superman easily is stronger.

If we are talking about their average strength then Superman easily is stronger here as well.

Thus a more well defined question must be formed.

The thing is, kind of like how Superman gets stronger from taking in more Sun, the Hulk also gets stronger from absorbing more radiation, (as was shown with Maestro). Essentially, is one were to ask "Can Superman go into the Sun?" then it would only be fair to ask, "Can Hulk sit in a field full of gamma bombs?"

The Hulk may not be as feat-heavy as Superman, but some of his best ones do stack up against Post-Crisis Superman's feats, including resisting the anti-matter force, redirecting a galaxy-destroying blast, destroying the Sacred Flame of Life, and punching the planet out its orbit.

As to the unlimited strength thing, Hulk's anger does play a large role in his strength increase, but really, he gets stronger as adrenaline keeps pumping through his system. His strength is proportionate to basically all of his emotions and how long he is fighting someone. In other words, the angrier or the more excited he gets and the longer he keeps fighting, the stronger he gets. It's just that the whole adage "The madder Hulk gets, the stronger he gets!" is a much simpler explanation than the previous statements.

As to the whole 'infinite strength' thing, you're right. It is impossible to reach infinity. However, some people misinterpret Hulk's 'unlimited strength' saying he has strength of infinity, which is simply isn’t true. However, Hulk's having unlimited strength means that he starts somewhere, but he can keep on getting stronger. If allowed, Hulk may be able to keep increasing his strength continuously in a battle to 10X of what he was when he started, to 100X, to 1000X, to 100000000X, and so on.

This doesn't mean, however, that Hulk can reach infinity, because as I've stated, that is impossible. I could start counting from 1 and continue counting every second for the next 100 years and although I would count up to a VERY high number, I would even be close to infinity. But I could still keep counting to higher and higher numbers.

Is the Hulk's strength unlimited? Maybe, maybe not. It does seem unrealistic, but we have to remember that we are talking about a fantasy world created through imaginations of writers- another reality where aliens, demons, telepaths, sorcerers, gods exist; a place where people are capable of running at the speed of light, shooting rays of light out of their eyes, possessing IQs of 1000 or greater, gaining superpowers from genetic mutations, and destroying planets; a reality where peak-humans can casually dodge bullets and kick down trees.

So the Hulk MAY have a limit to his strength (most likely a very, VERY high one at that), but then again, he may also possess true unlimited potential for his strength, like Superman, Silver Surfer, Captain Marvel, and Wonder Woman. The way Hulk is portrayed, the latter may be true since he is usually as strong as the writer wants him to be (like Superman, 'variable' as you said) and he has done the impossible with pure strength alone.

Basically, Superman may be stronger than Hulk at first, by how much is uncertain as Hulk's base strength is NOT 75 tons (damn handbooks). But they both possess unlimited potential. It would probably be difficult to completely judge who is stronger in a completely fair way that didn’t give either one an advantage (i.e. sundip, anger increase, etc.)