whos stronger superman or hulk??

"Goku at the beginnig of DBZ was only as fast as a car, and you can fight at less than sound speed and know untrained or weak person will be able to see or keep up."

He was durable and strong enough to lift cars. The fight i mentioned isent the case. No other people saw it. They made several moves in a second. And that was in the begginning of it.

"There punches and kick are far less than what Supes is going to be throwing and sometimes the energy blast they throw the less damage"

The energy blasts do less damage when the opponent is stronger or simply more durable. Or able to regenerate itself from practically nothing. Mind you that Shun in the first tournment blew off the moon and they all got stronger from that moment.

"SSJ4 Goku could out race an energy blast from Omega Shinron"

Gt isent cannon.

"Supes been fighting for years and got trainnig from Mongul, Batman, and Wonder Woman; so he's not an amature in fighting, Goku needs help in all of his big fights."

He isent near a high skilled figther like these guys are. Not even close.

"Goku needs help in all of his big fights."

Two points here. a) So does Superman. Did he beat imperex on its own? no. Did he beat Hunter/Prey doomsday on its own? no. There are other examples of course. Same way with Goku. He has help and then have solo wins. How about the first Picollo final match. Picollo Jr in the tournment. Freeza. He beated them alone.

Originally posted by olympian
"Goku at the beginnig of DBZ was only as fast as a car, and you can fight at less than sound speed and know untrained or weak person will be able to see or keep up."

He was durable and strong enough to lift cars. The fight i mentioned isent the case. No other people saw it. They made several moves in a second. And that was in the begginning of it.

"There punches and kick are far less than what Supes is going to be throwing and sometimes the energy blast they throw the less damage"

The energy blasts do less damage when the opponent is stronger or simply more durable. Or able to regenerate itself from practically nothing. Mind you that Shun in the first tournment blew off the moon and they all got stronger from that moment.

"SSJ4 Goku could out race an energy blast from Omega Shinron"

Gt isent cannon.

"Supes been fighting for years and got trainnig from Mongul, Batman, and Wonder Woman; so he's not an amature in fighting, Goku needs help in all of his big fights."

He isent near a high skilled figther like these guys are. Not even close.

"Goku needs help in all of his big fights."

Two points here. a) So does Superman. Did he beat imperex on its own? no. Did he beat Hunter/Prey doomsday on its own? no. There are other examples of course. Same way with Goku. He has help and then have solo wins. How about the first Picollo final match. Picollo Jr in the tournment. Freeza. He beated them alone.

SSJ3/4 Goku is far from being able to take a punch from Supes. He's not close to being faster. And Supes needs help, but he still fought way more battles on his own than Goku has. Supes a good enough fighter to beat Goku as well. Just because you know MAs doesn't mean you'll win. And GT is cannon because it takes place after DBZ, either way Goku loses. 🙂

Who are your morons!! "Superman", "hulk", "Thor", and "Goku" all are fictional characters without any substance. Who would win!?! The trash can all of them were thrown in!!! 🤨 🤨 🤨 🤨

"SSJ3/4 Goku is far from being able to take a punch from Supes. He's not close to being faster. And Supes needs help, but he still fought way more battles on his own than Goku has"

Hes durable enough to take city destroying blasts but not Supes fists? HaHa.

"And Supes needs help, but he still fought way more battles on his own than Goku has"

Superman needs help because like everyone else he gets outclassed time to time.

"Supes a good enough fighter to beat Goku as well. Just because you know MAs doesn't mean you'll win"

He cant beat Goku in a skills fight because the difference is laughable.

"And GT is cannon because it takes place after DBZ, either way Goku loses"

GT is not cannon because it wasent made by Toryama. It wasent taken by the manga. It was just the studio trying to cash more with the fame, Toryama who is the creator finished it all in the Buu saga. Thats whats cannon.

On topic now.

Originally posted by missinglink422
Who are your morons!! "Superman", "hulk", "Thor", and "Goku" all are fictional characters without any substance. Who would win!?! The trash can all of them were thrown in!!! 🤨 🤨 🤨 🤨

If those are your views, why post on a comic book forum? Who's the real moron?

Originally posted by olympian
"SSJ3/4 Goku is far from being able to take a punch from Supes. He's not close to being faster. And Supes needs help, but he still fought way more battles on his own than Goku has"

Hes durable enough to take city destroying blasts but not Supes fists? HaHa.

"And Supes needs help, but he still fought way more battles on his own than Goku has"

Superman needs help because like everyone else he gets outclassed time to time.

"Supes a good enough fighter to beat Goku as well. Just because you know MAs doesn't mean you'll win"

He cant beat Goku in a skills fight because the difference is laughable.

"And GT is cannon because it takes place after DBZ, either way Goku loses"

GT is not cannon because it wasent made by Toryama. It wasent taken by the manga. It was just the studio trying to cash more with the fame, Toryama who is the creator finished it all in the Buu saga. Thats whats cannon.

On topic now.

Yep. SSJ3/4 Goku gets hit by attacks far less than what Supes whould do to him.

This is what Supes whould do to ssj3/4 Goku.

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Lobo stats that if he doesn't stop himself he'll spend the next century orbitting around the planet. Supes hits any of them one time and the match is over. Supes beat people like Darkseid and G. Zod both are skilled fighters. Supes wins.

If Hulk and Thor hit ssj3/4 Goku one time, the fight is over.

🙂

Gt isent cannon. What dont you get about it? Its like Superman Kingdom Come. Its not cannon. Its an elsewords if you like to call it that way.

"Lobo stats that if he doesn't stop himself he'll spend the next century orbitting around the planet."

*aham* they take plenetary attacks too. If you read the manga you know it.
"Supes hits any of them one time and the match is over. Supes beat people like Darkseid and G. Zod both are skilled fighters. Supes wins."

Darkseid isent more skilled. Doesnt have combat speed like they have. Darkseid has been punked left and right in recent years, hes a chump. On the other hand Goku and others fight Cell and Buu who had means to destroy earth. And Buu did it. And beat everyone.

Zod is another chump. The red general one was beat in the most humiliating way ever.

Point taken. DB is another level of figthing, now get back on topic.

Originally posted by olympian
Gt isent cannon. What dont you get about it? Its like Superman Kingdom Come. Its not cannon. Its an elsewords if you like to call it that way.

"Lobo stats that if he doesn't stop himself he'll spend the next century orbitting around the planet."

*aham* they take plenetary attacks too. If you read the manga you know it.
"Supes hits any of them one time and the match is over. Supes beat people like Darkseid and G. Zod both are skilled fighters. Supes wins."

Darkseid isent more skilled. Doesnt have combat speed like they have. Darkseid has been punked left and right in recent years, hes a chump. On the other hand Goku and others fight Cell and Buu who had means to destroy earth. And Buu did it. And beat everyone.

Zod is another chump. The red general one was beat in the most humiliating way ever.

Point taken. DB is another level of figthing, now get back on topic.

Darseid kills either one of them with ease. They won't even be able to stagger him. And Goku gets beaten in every big fight, so he's a chump. Zod whould beat anyone of them aswell. 😆

Darkseid Freezes the Legion and unfreezes them by waving his hand, later beats Orion and his older, weaker stone self at the same time and takes attacks of 4 Legionarres, shrugging it off easily:

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Darkseid depowering secret and turning Lobo into a stone statue and simultaneusly shutting him into the DC One Million era.

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Darkseid taking hits from Superman near the sun. Superman is already a moon destroyer and can push planets, now Darkseid have to fight him near the sun where he gets a big power boost.helpsmilie

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SSJ3/4 Goku won't even be able to hurt Darkseid. And Superman, Thor, and Hulk beats him badly.

😆 💃 Gokus isnotworthy

Holy shit. That's Darkseid? WTF happened to him lately?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Holy shit. That's Darkseid? WTF happened to him lately?

Darkseid still has it, what are you talking about? 😆 💃 😎

"Darkseid still has it, what are you talking about?"

In case you didnt knew that its Pre Crisis Darkseid that looks impressive 😖hifty: Like him against the legion.

Post crisis is a chump. So is Zod. How was the red general beaten by Superman? Was a butt hit? hmmm.

"Darkseid taking hits from Superman near the sun. Superman is already a moon destroyer and can push planets, now Darkseid have to fight him near the sun where he gets a big power boost"

When did he destroyed the moon ? I recall him putting back of its place with the help of Green lanterns, Wonder Woman and many others. Post Crisis Superman cant push planets unless hes sundipped and wasent even easy for him to do it.

Shun blasted the moon in the beginning of DB. Beginning. Buu Saga hes not even a small factor compared with others. They are way above that level since the Vegeta saga.

"Darkseid depowering secret and turning Lobo into a stone statue and simultaneusly shutting him into the DC One Million era"

Dc 1 million like Gt arent cannon. Do you know what cannon means.

Originally posted by dvampire
Darkseid still has it, what are you talking about? 😆 💃 😎

He's a biyotch nowadays. 😉

Originally posted by olympian
"Darkseid still has it, what are you talking about?"

In case you didnt knew that its Pre Crisis Darkseid that looks impressive 😖hifty: Like him against the legion.

Post crisis is a chump. So is Zod. How was the red general beaten by Superman? Was a butt hit? hmmm.

"Darkseid taking hits from Superman near the sun. Superman is already a moon destroyer and can push planets, now Darkseid have to fight him near the sun where he gets a big power boost"

When did he destroyed the moon ? I recall him putting back of its place with the help of Green lanterns, Wonder Woman and many others. Post Crisis Superman cant push planets unless hes sundipped and wasent even easy for him to do it.

Shun blasted the moon in the beginning of DB. Beginning. Buu Saga hes not even a small factor compared with others. They are way above that level since the Vegeta saga.

"Darkseid depowering secret and turning Lobo into a stone statue and simultaneusly shutting him into the DC One Million era"

Dc 1 million like Gt arent cannon. Do you know what cannon means.

Does take much to blow up a planet, and there punches and kicks sometimes does more damage than there energy blast so that's out. And none of them are physically any match for Supes, Hulk and Thor. Supes was sundipped back to full strength that's it; Superman:MOS #30 he stop and toss a space ship the size of a small moon around like it was nothing. And the Crisis never effected Darkseid. GT is cannon because it continues the story after Z. 🙂

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
He's a biyotch nowadays. 😉

You're hater! 😆 😄 🙂

all right guys goku would win against all of them he might be a moron when he is not fighting but he will not stop until he wins or they both die once goku turn ssj4 there isnt any looking back he will beat ur ass second of all if he goes golden ozzaru hes a raging beast and will not stop until he controls himself or he kills every thing in his path

Originally posted by gokuisraw
all right guys goku would win against all of them he might be a moron when he is not fighting but he will not stop until he wins or they both die once goku turn ssj4 there isnt any looking back he will beat ur ass second of all if he goes golden ozzaru hes a raging beast and will not stop until he controls himself or he kills every thing in his path

You the ssj4 Goku that had problems lifting a building. Supes, Hulk, and Thor will KO him with one punch. 😉

"Supes was sundipped back to full strength that's it;"

No. He was sundipped and amped beyond his regular strenght. Post Crisis Superman is not a planet mover.

"And the Crisis never effected Darkseid"

Would have to disagree. Post Crisis Darkseid had problems with Byrne Superman before and has been punched so many times by him and Orion its not even funny anymore.

Pre Crisis Darkseid would clean his clock like he would to everyone else.

"GT is cannon because it continues the story after Z"

That doesnt make it cannon. Its - not - cannon because the creator had nothing to do with it. It was a purely the studio doing what they wanted. The creator stopped after Buu and never did anything else of the show. Also stated he would never do. Therefore its not cannon. Its a fanfic if you want to give it a title.

"You the ssj4 Goku that had problems lifting a building"

And Superman had problems lifting a 747 before. they usually bust mountains with theyr punches and blasts. And is that "usually" that opponents get hit with.

Peace.

Originally posted by olympian
"Supes was sundipped back to full strength that's it;"

No. He was sundipped and amped beyond his regular strenght. Post Crisis Superman is not a planet mover.

"And the Crisis never effected Darkseid"

Would have to disagree. Post Crisis Darkseid had problems with Byrne Superman before and has been punched so many times by him and Orion its not even funny anymore.

Pre Crisis Darkseid would clean his clock like he would to everyone else.

"GT is cannon because it continues the story after Z"

That doesnt make it cannon. Its - not - cannon because the creator had nothing to do with it. It was a purely the studio doing what they wanted. The creator stopped after Buu and never did anything else of the show. Also stated he would never do. Therefore its not cannon. Its a fanfic if you want to give it a title.

"You the ssj4 Goku that had problems lifting a building"

And Superman had problems lifting a 747 before. they usually bust mountains with theyr punches and blasts. And is that "usually" that opponents get hit with.

Peace.

Supes lift small moons, push planets (he may have been amped a little, but not alot) the size of Pluto with light speed going against him, and lifted a Russian nuclear submarine (these typically weigh between 10,000 and 20,000 tons) from the ocean floor (swamped with water, as it was, it had to weighed more). Supes is far stronger than them. And ssj4 Goku was created by Akira Toriyama so he took some part in the show. Darkseid whould whoop beat any one of the DBZ/GT characters.

See ya! 🙂

Originally posted by dvampire
Supes lift small moons, push planets (he may have been amped a little, but not alot) the size of Pluto with light speed going against him, and lifted a Russian nuclear submarine (these typically weigh between 10,000 and 20,000 tons) from the ocean floor (swamped with water, as it was, it had to weighed more). Supes is far stronger than them. And ssj4 Goku was created by Akira Toriyama so he took some part in the show. Darkseid whould whoop beat any one of the DBZ/GT characters.

See ya! 🙂

In H2h combat Superman will beat all the transformations of Goku up to SS3. You mentioned earlier that Goku cannot withstand Supermans punches? This guy has withstood mountain destroying energy blasts. If you have seen any of the fights between ss3 and buu you will find that single physical attacks are capable of flattening entire blocks of skyskrapers. Gotenks created a crater, physically punching Buu which was comparable only to a sizable asteroid crashing into the earth. On the top power level these guys are really really strong.

I heard that the half city incident occured in G.T. This is not only a powered down version of Gouk it isn't cannon.

Physically these guys (SS3) can easilly match Superman and Co, And they have the skill and speed to overcome them.

Strength = Superman (small amount)
Durability = Simillar, But Goku wins
Speed = Draw
Long Distance attacks = Goku by a large advantage

Goku SS3 wins in H2h.

But if Goku is allowed to use the full force of his energy attacks a high level KK or SS will defeat Superman.

Originally posted by yahman
In H2h combat Superman will beat all the transformations of Goku up to SS3. You mentioned earlier that Goku cannot withstand Supermans punches? This guy has withstood mountain destroying energy blasts. If you have seen any of the fights between ss3 and buu you will find that single physical attacks are capable of flattening entire blocks of skyskrapers. Gotenks created a crater, physically punching Buu which was comparable only to a sizable asteroid crashing into the earth. On the top power level these guys are really really strong.

I heard that the half city incident occured in G.T. This is not only a powered down version of Gouk it isn't cannon.

Physically these guys (SS3) can easilly match Superman and Co, And they have the skill and speed to overcome them.

Strength = Superman (small amount)
Durability = Simillar, But Goku wins
Speed = Draw
Long Distance attacks = Goku by a large advantage

Goku SS3 wins in H2h.

But if Goku is allowed to use the full force of his energy attacks a high level KK or SS will defeat Superman.

SSJ3 Goku was only able to lift halve a city in the manga and he had trouble doing that, he never showed any strength feat in the anime at ssj3, Supes is far stronger than that, and much faster to. SSJ4 Goku had trouble out beating Omega Shinrons energy blast, Supes has out beaten energy blasts and is light speed. Goku at ssj3/4 also lose too much energy that he won't last long against Superman. And Supes is very good in H2h combat. And a Heat Vision blast whould melt the skin off of any of them; ssj4 Goku couldn't even take the tempature of Nova Shinron. Supes, Thor, and Hulk is just more powerful.

Speed- Supes

Durability- Supes

Long range attacks- Draw

Stamina- Supes

Supe wins. 😐