Originally posted by Allankles
All star Superman was able to lift 200 quintillion tons and more (almost 3 times the weight of Earth). Normal Supes is said to lift about a third of that weight which means he can lift something that's roughly close to the weight of earth itself.Superman is stronger.
Yer but what about when Hulk is in his mega angry form . and I thought it meant in a fight! 🤨
Originally posted by Heroes?
Yer but what about when Hulk is in his mega angry form . and I thought it meant in a fight! 🤨
I've already talked about the problems with the whole anger argument. Imagine this: you're in a rage someone throws a brick at you, you'd naturally want to beat them up. Now imagine someone trying to kill you i.e. knife you or shoot you, when in the same state of rage.
I'd imagine you'd practically want to kill them in your rage. You could imagine the worst scenario, but you won't get any madder than what is you maddest.
Hulk gets mad, but once he reaches madness there's no getting madder. Can you get any madder than when you're already insane with madness? It's like saying the Joker will get crazier, the Joker doesn't get any crazier. When Hulk transforms he's in a rage and when he's at his rampaging best, he doesn't get any angrier.
Originally posted by Maistro
I believe it has been said more then once that the Hulk doesn't have a "mad" limit, so there is no point in comparing the Hulk to our standards. He wil continue to get madder and madder like he always has without limits
And without any way to quantify what madder is, it continues to be a weak argument at best.
What won't Hulk do when he gets mad? Does he get bigger? Yes. Does he get stronger? Yes. So there's nothing to his madness except that, he's always mad, he's always angry.
There's no state of infinite raging, he just rages and does what he does when he rages and then goes back to being Banner after a while. If the provocation is persistent and deadly enough, Hulk will rage until he stops whoever is provoking him or he gets stopped himself.
Superman on the other hand is always unlocking more of his power, on top of having much better and more consistent strength feats.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Prove Goku is faster than Superman.
Speed: Base, Orbital Velocity, able to throw a rock at Super Sonic Speed and then pass it in mid flight within a second, Super Saiyan, 50 times orbital Velocity.Flight Speed: Base, Light Speed, Goku was able to travel from his space ship to the Ginyu Force instantaniously pre-instant transmission, and Namek was stated to be much larger than Earth and Vegeta, this was proven when Freeza couldn't destroy it, Super Saiyan, Warp Speed.
Water Speed: Maximum Plus.
wtf? you're still talking dbz in the superman forum? you a sore loser about what happend in the superman vs goku thread? you trying to get this thread banned like that one? are you that upset that you have to go into a thread totally unrelated to dbz and talk about goku? this is about superman and the hulk, stop talking about goku.
Originally posted by Allanklesit adds to his anger. it's like cutting the heads off of the hydra, the more you hack the more sprout out, but in the hulk's case the heads will revert back to one if he calms down.
And without any way to quantify what madder is, it continues to be a weak argument at best.What won't Hulk do when he gets mad? Does he get bigger? Yes. Does he get stronger? Yes. So there's nothing to his madness except that, he's always mad, he's always angry.
There's no state of infinite raging, he just rages and does what he does when he rages and then goes back to being Banner after a while. If the provocation is persistent and deadly enough, Hulk will rage until he stops whoever is provoking him or he gets stopped himself.
Superman on the other hand is always unlocking more of his power, on top of having much better and more consistent strength feats.
and it's not infinite anger, it's a chemical reaction to anger that makes him more powerful so every instance of anger morphs him into a more powerful level.(the ang lee movie displayed that by making the hulk grow in dimension to visualize this effect).
for example superman punches him hard, he gets angry and gets stronger. then superman punches him again harder, he then gets mad again but this time this instance of anger stacks the power onto the last power up. ad infinitum.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
it adds to his anger. it's like cutting the heads off of the hydra, the more you hack the more sprout out, but in the hulk's case the heads will revert back to one if he calms down.and it's not infinite anger, it's a chemical reaction to anger that makes him more powerful so every instance of anger morphs him into a more powerful level.(the ang lee movie displayed that by making the hulk grow in dimension to visualize this effect).
for example superman punches him hard, he gets angry and gets stronger. then superman punches him again harder, he then gets mad again but this time this instance of anger stacks the power onto the last power up. ad infinitum.
I know all this but it's still bs. The best explanation (and one the comic creators have to consider) is that his strength is derived from a pocket dimension, but even then the explanation wouldn't be consistent with his origin, given that his condition is mostly a genetic anomaly.
No way the "anger" argument, makes sense without considering pocket dimensions. Anger is anger, the angrier he gets the more determined he becomes until he takes out his enemy or gets taken out. There's nothing unique or exceptional about the Hulk's anger except that it's his primary motivator.
If you gave a petulant child Hulk's strength and genetic condition, you'd get the same result.
Originally posted by emporerpants
wtf? you're still talking dbz in the superman forum? you a sore loser about what happend in the superman vs goku thread? you trying to get this thread banned like that one? are you that upset that you have to go into a thread totally unrelated to dbz and talk about goku? this is about superman and the hulk, stop talking about goku.
First off, I'm not trying to get it locked, because then I might get banned.
Second, unless you pull off some magic trick you ain't winning no argument in the 'Animated Goku VS Animated Superman thread'
umm, who's talking about animated goku vs animated superman? i was talking about the "superman can beat every..." thread. for the record i happen to agree that goku would beat animated supes. but ONLY animated supes. imo all other versions of supes win.
also, this thread has NOTHING to do with goku, so why bring him up?
Originally posted by emporerpants
umm, who's talking about animated goku vs animated superman? i was talking about the "superman can beat every..." thread. for the record i happen to agree that goku would beat animated supes. but ONLY animated supes. imo all other versions of supes win.also, this thread has NOTHING to do with goku, so why bring him up?
Cause your arguing that Hulk could be beat Superman, while Goku can't.
And if you use movie Superman Goku pwns, which I have proven.
And I doubt that Comic Superman is faster than peak Goku, but we never saw what Goku's limit was.
i have NEVER said that the hulk is stronger than superman! where the hell did you get that from? you're making stuff up again i guess. you haven't proven anything in the other thread except your ability to make stuff up. you're arguing that we've never seen goku's limit? well we haven't seen supe's either.
in ANY event this isn't a debate about superman vs goku. its about hulk and superman! SO STOP TALKING ABOUT GOKU.
heh, i've seen him, i just immediately disregard his posts as soon as i see them. it would be more accurate to say that guru is one of the more annoying fanboys that i haven't stopped paying attention to yet.
by the way mike, i have to comend you, creshosk, and kento for the awesome job you guys did in the "superman can beat..." thread. you guys were great.