Originally posted by The Last Son
All these are good points, but look at the villans Superman has to face. Could the hulk beat brainiac, Doomsday, Darkseid, what about the parasite, Lex Luthor? Superman has faced many villans with not only strength but also intelligence. There is more than one way to be strong. Not just physically.
Don't forget Dominus, Cyborg Supes, Lobo, Zod, GoG, Eradicator,
Mr Mlzplk, Asmodel....
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Superman is more powerful, that I will concede.Hulk has withstood heats hotter than stars. Superman's heat vision is not as hot as a star.
Hulk is more durable than Superman. Hulk has an insane regenerating factor; He has reformed after being reduced to scattered gamma irradiated molecules. The angrier he becomes, the more durable he gets, and the faster he regenerates. Every blow he takes from Superman will heal. Superman has no healing factor. His wounds will be permanent.
That pic is from Marvel Comics Presents issue #52. The planetoid is specifically said to have "greater than double the planet earth's mass."
The heaviest thing Post-Crisis Superman has moved is WarWorld, which is only the size of Pluto, and he had to charge up in the sun for quite some time before he did so.
Superman has the edge in a fight, but Hulk is definately stronger than him.
Dude, Supes heat vision is hotter than a star. He shaves with his heat vision. Supposedly, He heated a planet with it recently from across a galaxy(still have to check facts on that though) that combined with microscopic vision would do the Hulk in. Since you are being reasonable though, so will I. I doubt Supes would do that...why? It's not really in his character. What does that mean? Better fight for all of us.
Strength wise? The jury is still out on that one..but I will admit, you have made the Hulk seem like a much more interesting character than I previously thought.
Originally posted by The Last Son
All these are good points, but look at the villans Superman has to face. Could the hulk beat brainiac, Doomsday, Darkseid, what about the parasite, Lex Luthor? Superman has faced many villans with not only strength but also intelligence. There is more than one way to be strong. Not just physically.
Look at the first time Supes fought DD, it was a slugfest. He practically used no other powers, and it got him killed. It's the same as the Hulk except worse. If kal goes in fists swinging like he seems to do when he finds a really strong guy, Hulk's going to keep coming back. Not only that but he's going to get stronger from the anger thats welling up inside him. And as the fight drags on he's going to get bigger and angrier, and I don't care who you are that gives the Hulk a massive intimadation factor. Hulk probably can't beat Brainiac, due to his intelligence. And if supes uses the brains he shows in fights with him and Lex he'll win but if it goes to a fist fight he goes down eventually.
Originally posted by The Last Son
All these are good points, but look at the villans Superman has to face. Could the hulk beat brainiac, Doomsday, Darkseid, what about the parasite, Lex Luthor? Superman has faced many villans with not only strength but also intelligence. There is more than one way to be strong. Not just physically.
I just wanted to express my desire for a "somtimes less is more"-philosophy that emphasizes on good storytelling in BOTH comic-universes! I guess over the time I have become tired of all these SuperMegaUltraHyperBestAtEverything-Dudes and their End-Of-World scenarios.
(god, I sound like an old man 😮 )
OK, lets put it this way:
Hulk is the strongest being on all time. bar none. nuff said.
Thor is a GOD, so he could muster the strength to defeat Hulk if he fought his ass off. He would probably need his Hammer though.
Superman is an alien from Krypron, who posesses almost unlimited strength. Superman could defeat Thor in battle, but only by using his other powers (as seen in Marvel/DC crossover) Thor and Superman are about as strong as each other, but superman would win a fight between the two.
Hulk is stronger than both of them.
Superman is the most durable out of the 3.
Thor has potentail to defeat both of them.
Originally posted by lukester
OK, lets put it this way:Hulk is the strongest being on all time. bar none. nuff said.
Thor is a GOD, so he could muster the strength to defeat Hulk if he fought his ass off. He would probably need his Hammer though.
Superman is an alien from Krypron, who posesses almost unlimited strength. Superman could defeat Thor in battle, but only by using his other powers (as seen in Marvel/DC crossover) Thor and Superman are about as strong as each other, but superman would win a fight between the two.
Hulk is stronger than both of them.
Superman is the most durable out of the 3.
Thor has potentail to defeat both of them.
I agree with everything but the Superman and Thor stuff....Thor would win.
Originally posted by lukester
OK, lets put it this way:Hulk is the strongest being on all time. bar none. nuff said.
Thor is a GOD, so he could muster the strength to defeat Hulk if he fought his ass off. He would probably need his Hammer though.
Superman is an alien from Krypron, who posesses almost unlimited strength. Superman could defeat Thor in battle, but only by using his other powers (as seen in Marvel/DC crossover) Thor and Superman are about as strong as each other, but superman would win a fight between the two.
Hulk is stronger than both of them.
Superman is the most durable out of the 3.
Thor has potentail to defeat both of them.
Since Hulk can, as I have come to know now, regenerate literally from ashes, he is the most durable(i can´t believe that i´m posting this).
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Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Dude, Supes heat vision is hotter than a star. He shaves with his heat vision. Supposedly, He heated a planet with it recently from across a galaxy(still have to check facts on that though) that combined with microscopic vision would do the Hulk in. Since you are being reasonable though, so will I. I doubt Supes would do that...why? It's not really in his character. What does that mean? Better fight for all of us.
Strength wise? The jury is still out on that one..but I will admit, you have made the Hulk seem like a much more interesting character than I previously thought.
That sounds profoundly "pre-crisis." Current Superman's heat vision is not hotter than a star, I'm sure of it.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Don't forget Dominus, Cyborg Supes, Lobo, Zod, GoG, Eradicator,
Mr Mlzplk, Asmodel....
Superman doesn't face Asmodel; the entire JLA did. If Superman tried to fight Asmodel by himself, he would get annihilated, and you know it. Superman never faces Mxyzptlk. Mxy's powerful but he doesn't fight; he only plays pranks, and that's a well known fact. There is no way in hell Superman could beat Mxyzptlk if he became malevolent. Zod is basically an evil Superman. The only difference is Zod doesn't hold back.
Lobo? Superman got his ass kicked by Lobo. Cyborg Superman? Pfft... Thing beats him in a crossover.
Originally posted by The Last Son
All these are good points, but look at the villans Superman has to face. Could the hulk beat brainiac, Doomsday, Darkseid, what about the parasite, Lex Luthor? Superman has faced many villans with not only strength but also intelligence. There is more than one way to be strong. Not just physically.
Braniac - Not so sure.
Doomsday - Yes
Darkseid - No
Parasite - Not sure.
Lex Luthor - Positively.
You're right. There is more than one way to be strong. Superman is more powerful than Hulk, but Hulk is physically stronger. I'm not saying that Hulk will kick Superman's ass, or anything to that effect, but facts prove that Hulk is the physically stronger of the two.
Hulk does have a limit... any being can only get so mad. There has been a couple times where he has gotten tired or had to revert back to Bruce Banner. He can't just go ok I am more mad now than I was 5 seconds ago... uh oh I just got madder... oh sh#t!!!! I just got even madder... AHHHHH NOW I AM MADDER!!!!! MORE MAD NOW!!!! Watch Out!!! It happened again!!!! I found a way to get more mad!!!! Seriously think about this kind of stuff before you post.
What are you talking about drawing it from the entire Universe? Have you ever read a Hulk comic?
Originally posted by Jason8200
Hulk does have a limit... any being can only get so mad. There has been a couple times where he has gotten tired or had to revert back to Bruce Banner. He can't just go ok I am more mad now than I was 5 seconds ago... uh oh I just got madder... oh sh#t!!!! I just got even madder... AHHHHH NOW I AM MADDER!!!!! MORE MAD NOW!!!! Watch Out!!! It happened again!!!! I found a way to get more mad!!!! Seriously think about this kind of stuff before you post.What are you talking about drawing it from the entire Universe? Have you ever read a Hulk comic?
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ok you have almost swayed my vote from hulk to supes. 😠 and i hate supes!!
Originally posted by Jason8200
Hulk does have a limit... any being can only get so mad. There has been a couple times where he has gotten tired or had to revert back to Bruce Banner. He can't just go ok I am more mad now than I was 5 seconds ago... uh oh I just got madder... oh sh#t!!!! I just got even madder... AHHHHH NOW I AM MADDER!!!!! MORE MAD NOW!!!! Watch Out!!! It happened again!!!! I found a way to get more mad!!!! Seriously think about this kind of stuff before you post.What are you talking about drawing it from the entire Universe? Have you ever read a Hulk comic?
Hey dude I'm just writing what I heard, I don't know if it's true but apparently the Hulks ever increasing strength comes from a universe he's connected to that was created when he became the Hulk. Wether or not this is fact is not known to me. And as for a limit to how angry he can get I've yet to see that happen, by any account you're right Jason he should have a limit to how much anger he can have but as far as I'm aware he doesn't. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong but as far as I know this is truth.