Re: If god exists,and if he is so mighty and great...
Originally posted by debbie264
Don't get me wrong,I am a firm believer in god,but if he's so mighty and great,and if he is so fair and equal and loves everybody the same,no matter what,how come innocent blood is always shed?How come criminials get away with gruesome crime??Why is it that during war,it is always the children and helpless who always end up suffering?Is there any logical answer to this question or is it something we will never understand?
THERE IS NO GOD.........................................................
Quiet possible is that. Kind of makes is sad though. No God, ergo human concepts of "evil" are a natural thing, and there is no justice. Or God, evil is a thing you must live with because its a test or some such thing, and there is justice, but really it doesn't seem that great compared to all the God sanctioned evil... Bah to all of that.
And it isn't a good thing to assume something like the Tsunami in Asia is somehow divine punishment (to that series of posts) I mean, the logic is flawed - the Governments are "evil" with the way they conduct their governing, so to set it right the powerless victims are killed?
Originally posted by finti
its not the nonbelivers that has to proove that an inviceble all knowing god doesnt exist, it is the believrs that has to prove that god do exist.All I can say is there is no god and if you wanna prove me wrong then I need proof of gods existence, hard facted evidence.
Its not as if you are using hard evidence either. You owe proof as much as the opposition does.
Originally posted by finti
its not the nonbelivers that has to proove that an inviceble all knowing god doesnt exist, it is the believrs that has to prove that god do exist.All I can say is there is no god and if you wanna prove me wrong then I need proof of gods existence, hard facted evidence.
No, how does that logic work?
You can SAY it exists - well believer SAYS it doesnt.
In order for you to SAY it doesnt exist you need to give a proof of WHY it doesnt, just as believer has to give poof of why it does.
Its a pointless argument - you can BELIEVE he doesnt exist - thats not a proof. Just like believeing he does isnt either.
In order for you to SAY it doesnt exist you need to give a proof of WHY it doesnt, just as believer has to give poof of why it doesActually I dont need to give proof of the none existence of an invicible supreme being, all I have to do is to say that god doesnt exist, then it is up to those who believe in him to prove his existence. Further more if those who belive in him says that god exist then it is up to them to prove his existence.
finti...if I can question my believe, why can't you? You're asking me to step into your world without much proof.I never asked you to step into my world, all I say is that I dont need to proove that god doesnt exist, if you had to prove it that means you are in doubt whether god is real or not, I have no doubt about that particulare question at all.
Its a pointless argument - you can BELIEVE he doesnt exist - thats not a proof. Just like believeing he does isnt either.it is not a pointless argument, I can say there is no god and to prove me wrong someone has to show me god, as long as they cant my argument stands and doesnt need to be proven. You use your faith to determine that there is a god, I use logic to say that god does not exist.
By the way..change your picture back to that head with hair thing...honestly, I really liked it! I was easier to visualize you that wayboth pictures are of album covers the one I use now fits more to the situation of the discussion we have here, It is Black Sabbaths third album and it is called MASTER OF REALITY, now you can figure out why I choose this as a picture 😖mart: 😖mart: 🍺
Re: If god exists,and if he is so mighty and great...
Originally posted by debbie264
Don't get me wrong,I am a firm believer in god,but if he's so mighty and great,and if he is so fair and equal and loves everybody the same,no matter what,how come innocent blood is always shed?How come criminials get away with gruesome crime??Why is it that during war,it is always the children and helpless who always end up suffering?Is there any logical answer to this question or is it something we will never understand?
It's because the weak and febal that get crushed under the strong and powerful. "Survival of the fittest," as Darwin said.
Originally posted by clickclick
Its not as if you are using hard evidence either. You owe proof as much as the opposition does.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
No, how does that logic work?You can SAY it exists - well believer SAYS it doesnt.
In order for you to SAY it doesnt exist you need to give a proof of WHY it doesnt, just as believer has to give poof of why it does.
Its a pointless argument - you can BELIEVE he doesnt exist - thats not a proof. Just like believeing he does isnt either.
According to logic, one cannot prove a negation. Therefore, the burden of proof is on the individual making a positive claim to provide sufficient material evidence to support it.