Originally posted by BackFire
I hope both the woman and that man die.
die? i hope they are brutally murdered with so much suffering that the devil would flinch. people such as this are only a shit stain on society and recieve pleasure and self gratification by victimising others. good thing i dont make the laws.
"but you wouldnt mind sitting in a hospital saying "yeah, i got attacked and stabbed...and all 50 people watching didnt do a damn thing"
No I wouldn't. It's not their job or responsibility.
If they chose to help that's up to them, it doesn't mean I have to do the same. I simply do not care about other, random people I have never met or don't know. No reason why I should risk myself getting involved.
If others feel some compelling need to help others who probably wouldn't help you and risk getting injured in the process, rock on. I don't.
-AC
If others feel some compelling need to help others who probably wouldn't help you and risk getting injured in the process, rock on. I don't.
It's not that I fel compelled to put myself in a situation where I am at risk, it's just what I see as a moral obligation to help those in need. If I can help someone who goes hungry to eat, I'll help. If I can help someone find a job, I'll help. And If I can help someone from getting their face bashed in, I'll help.
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Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I simply do not care about other, random people I have never met or don't know.
wow thats just sad
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I agree, sad and pathetic.
Sad, Pathetic....and absolutely true in most instances.
He gave the honest answer that most people are afraid to give because they don't want to be told they are "sad" or "pathetic"
It's like in Iraq. Techincally I "care" for the Iraqi's because I don't like them being put through all of the sh!t the US has brought to them. But I don't REALLY "care" about what's going on over there because I'm not doing anything to fix the situation.
It's easy to say "I'd help the guy" but few people are willing to take a complete ass whooping that comes with sticking up for someone who is in that kind of situation.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Sad, Pathetic....and absolutely true in most instances.He gave the honest answer that most people are afraid to give because they don't want to be told they are "sad" or "pathetic"
It's like in Iraq. Techincally I "care" for the Iraqi's because I don't like them being put through all of the sh!t the US has brought to them. But I don't REALLY "care" about what's going on over there because I'm not doing anything to fix the situation.
It's easy to say "I'd help the guy" but few people are willing to take a complete ass whooping that comes with sticking up for someone who is in that kind of situation.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
It's not that I fel compelled to put myself in a situation where I am at risk, it's just what I see as a moral obligation to help those in need. If I can help someone who goes hungry to eat, I'll help. If I can help someone find a job, I'll help. And If I can help someone from getting their face bashed in, I'll help.wow thats just sad
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Right on Mate....!!
Lets look at this way... For those still not in the grasp.
If your sister or mother is being beaten up or raped or something in public and you meet the guy who had the convictions politically, ethically religously or other wise to sit there and object to doing something about it, are you going to :
A) Send him some flowers in gratitude....?
or
B) Send him to the morgue....?
That guy in question having the crap beaten out of him was someones brother, someones son. Maybe even a father. Where is the compassion...? One day if you really need to talk to someone desperately I would hope that that person be it a priest, careworker, shrink, friend or whatever would sit and listen, perhaps putting them selves out, rather that saying: "Right...What have you ever done for me...?"
both the girlfriend and her boyfriend should be thrown and jail and ROT!!!!
stupid idiots no bloody life.. and thoes dumbasses watching, not doing anything.. man if i was there.. i hate violence, but i'd throw myself on the attacker and start kicking him in the balls a million times..
people get me so mad!! how can anybody hurt another human being?
it's time we start learning from the animals, they live more peacefully then we do..
Originally posted by FeceMan
Yep. It has do with this psychological concept of displacement of responsibility or something (the exact phrase does not come to mind). Basically, if one is alone and sees a situation in which a person requires aid, one will probably help the person. However, if one is in a group of people, the stress the responsibility originally placed upon one is spread throughout people of the group, and the mind frame becomes, "Well, if he or she or that person doesn't help, I guess I don't really need to, either. Someone else will help."
Yup i watched a video about that in one of my college classes.
Basically they grabbed a group of people and put them in a class to take a test. They then ran a bunch of smoke up under a door to simulate a fire. During the test NO ONE said a damn thing about the smoke because they felt someone else would be morally obligated to speak up.
Same fire test with individuals instead of a group and every single person pointed out the fire and took action.
It's easier to act morally alone than in a group of gawkers.
Originally posted by mouth
both the girlfriend and her boyfriend should be thrown and jail and ROT!!!!
stupid idiots no bloody life.. and thoes dumbasses watching, not doing anything.. man if i was there.. i hate violence, but i'd throw myself on the attacker and start kicking him in the balls a million times..
people get me so mad!! how can anybody hurt another human being?
it's time we start learning from the animals, they live more peacefully then we do..
Thats it mate...!! Cause while it is indeed detestable, unjustified street of domestic violence, allowing to go on if someone is innocent in it and getting a totally unjust pounding at a vast disadvantage when you can help the person is just as bad or worse.
Maybe the person doing the attacking has a screw lose, but sitting there and for all intents a nd purposes condoning it.....? 😘
Give me reasons why I should risk my own health for someone I don't know, have never met, have NOTHING to do with and probably wouldn't do the same for me?
If the answer is "Because it's right" then no, you are wrong. If you feel that it's right to go and help someone, then that's your choice and I completely respect that. It is not my responsibility to look out for other people. I look out for myself and those closest to me. The day I risk getting my life cut short for a random on the street isn't gonna come soon.
Sad and pathetic? To you maybe. I reserve my right to laugh if you stick your nose into a fight that has jack to do with you and get capped for it.
"It's not that I fel compelled to put myself in a situation where I am at risk, it's just what I see as a moral obligation to help those in need. If I can help someone who goes hungry to eat, I'll help. If I can help someone find a job, I'll help. And If I can help someone from getting their face bashed in, I'll help."
^^^This is what it comes down to. You feel some moral obligation to help. That's a self placed obligation. I don't have it. You do. Why? Coz you choose to. Just because you've taken on the role of being a hero, doesn't mean everyone has.
"If your sister or mother is being beaten up or raped or something in public and you meet the guy who had the convictions politically, ethically religously or other wise to sit there and object to doing something about it, are you going to :
A) Send him some flowers in gratitude....?
or
B) Send him to the morgue....?"
Not A because that's just a stupid though. Certainly not B because I'm no thug. Who am I to stand there and say to a random man "Why didn't you help my family member?". Who am I to request that of someone I have nothing to do with? If they are willing then that's their own choice but I'd never request help. That's my job to be there for my family and friends, no one elses and I'll say the same for you. It's not your job to be there for me.
"That guy in question having the crap beaten out of him was someones brother, someones son. Maybe even a father. Where is the compassion...? "
Why do I need to have compassion for some random person? Yeah it sucks and it's wrong but at the end of the day it's got jack shit to do with me. It's SOMEONE'S brother, SOMEONE'S son and SOMEONE'S father. It's not MINE. NOTHING to do with me.
What if the man or woman helping and getting involved because they think it's "right" is someone's brother or sister? Father or mother? What then? Exactly. Someone then has the chance of losing a loved one for no reason whatsoever other than they stuck their nose in what didn't concern them. I'd love to see your reaction when a cop turns up at your door "Sorry son but your Dad is dead." "Why?" "There was a fight and he tried to stop it but got shot." You would be after the shooters blood, but why? He had no beef with your father till your father got involved. If you involve yourself in a dangerous situation that doesn't concern you then you run the very likely risk of making things turn out much worse than much better. A woman gets raped, the guy runs off. Very very sad, terrible situation for the woman. However, women DO, HAVE and CAN overcome rape. How would she feel if you tried to stop the guy and got shot or stabbed? How would she feel knowing that a death is essentially on her hands also?
If you all wanna walk around with an "I help people therefore I have the position of labelling those who don't, sad and pathetic" tag, then you are the ones being sad and pathetic.
I say this to anyone calling me sad and pathetic. Next time there's a gunpoint rape or a beating, I expect you to step in no questions asked because if you do anything less than get involved, you're being a hypocrite.
-AC
Or you could be relatively brave and alive. Difference between bravery and stupidity.
Everyone involved in the incident in the pizzaria were pussies, especially the guy who was doing the attacking. All the on lookers who were too scared of the scary black man who sucker punched a guy who wasn't paying attention to gang up and beat him into submission were also pussies.
AC's view of society might be somewhat hostile to my views, but I absolutely asgree with the body of what he is saying.
We do not live in a society controlled by vigilante violence. No citizen has a responsibility to enforce the law on random people in the street. If they do have a civic responsiblity, it is to do one thing only- inform and co-operate with the appropriate authorities. That is what society is about- taking the law into your own hands is a risky business, and making people feel morally obligated to do it is entirely wrong. AC is right; no-one should be made to feel a lesser person for not wanting to put himself in harm's way when no responsibility actually exists for him to do so- especially for the many people like me that could not do a damn thing about it. I am damned if the logical extension of that is that a big storng guy who COULD so something is therefore more capable of being a 'good' citizen than me. I'd run around the corner and call the police, and I have serious issues with anyone who would decry me for that.
Over here, the Police have actively issued guidelines to the public that basically say "For the love of God, don't get involved yourself." There is reason and sense behind that professional assessment.
I'm not a judge. I'm not gonna judge someone for reacting one way (or not, as the case may be) because that's up to them.
My point was in general to all those who feel morally obligated to "help". I knew someone who felt morally obligated to help. He was a really really good friend of mine.
Key words? 'Was' and 'Knew'. One of the closest friends of my family saw two guys fighting outside a pub, he ran over there to split it up and got stabbed. Left behind a girlfriend and a kid. Rather than thinking of himself and the people who actually matter to him, he chose to interject himself into a combustible situation and died as a result. His family don't sleep soundly just because he tried to help. Like you said "That guy getting beaten could be a father". He was and now he's dead.
Am I gonna get myself into a possible life threatening situation, given the consequences, based on the fact that I could THEORETICALLY come out of it ok with the 'wellbeing' that I helped someone? F*ck no.
Like I said, call me sad and pathetic when one of you carry out that moral obligation you placed upon yourselves and possibly land up in a hospital or worse. I'll come to your funeral and have one of your devestated family members tell me how brave you were and how cowardly I am.
-AC