I don't think I could condone battery of a female by a male....
I dunno, maybe if she was trying to stab my childeren or something,
But if shes an instigator only, and she does actually care about her fella, then, once she sees the fella getting a counter-beating, she if half intelligent enough to comprehend the concequences of her actions, then she'd learn....and then she'd shut the hell up..... However often its not the case... And a very good point it is that the police would be the ideal solution, what are you going to do while waiting for them to show...?
"Excuse me Mr Assaulter... But you'd better stop battering me because old bill'll be here in 20-mins or half hour....?" or fight back and/or hope that someone restrains this lunatic....?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I dunno ARC, are you morally obligated to be one?A joke you see.
-AC
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Originally posted by PVS
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! 😂who can forget that
No one ever will.... 😛
AC & PVS> 😆
Again....I understand what BackFire is going on about, but I doubt I'd be the first one to jump into the situation. ❌
I mean, from one point of view, I could say: "Where was the good samaritan I am when I needed one to help me from getting the sh!t kicked out of me?"
Well....I've never really seen someone getting a beat-down personally, (well, that's not true - let's see, there was High School, and College, and University.... 😛), so I can't really be sure what I'd do. I might help the person, but I might not. 🤪
Ah...it's times like these when I wish Police Forces weren't so corrupt, or at least so lazy....
In relation to ARC, the whole point was that I didn't directly call him that and it got blown out of proportion to make it look like I did.
On topic:
Someone said people are pussies. People are also self-centered enough to wish the law didn't apply to them. Hence why we have situations like the pizza thing.
"Ah...it's times like these when I wish Police Forces weren't so corrupt, or at least so lazy...."
Fact is that even the police think "Not my responsibility" from time to time.
They choose to do it for a profession too, you don't. So why it's anyone's responsibility to help out, I just don't get (I do get it, it's just dumb).
-AC
to admit that you might not help is nothing to be ashamed of.
to express that as your belief is however imho. i guess humans
are just selfish and needy by nature.
if you saw a man choking and knew how to save him, would you? or would you say "let the paramedics handle it" when you know damn well that the man will be dead before they show up?
the arguement is being mixed up with talks of vigilante justice. the simple fact is there were MORE than enough people to at least restrain the man until police show up. our laws protect good sumeritans for the most part and allow for citizens arrest.
that was a room full of pussies, and though they may have had this 'if it doesnt affect me, it doesnt matter' attitude before the attack, i bet they stay up at night restless, wishing to god they could turn the clock back and do the right thing.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
In relation to ARC, the whole point was that I didn't directly call him that and it got blown out of proportion to make it look like I did."Ah...it's times like these when I wish Police Forces weren't so corrupt, or at least so lazy...."
Fact is that even the police think "Not my responsibility" from time to time.
They choose to do it for a profession too, you don't. So why it's anyone's responsibility to help out, I just don't get (I do get it, it's just dumb).
-AC
But that's exactly my point AC: They are PAID to help maintain Society as we know it, and yet they blindly sit by as some poor schmuck get's the f*ck get kicked out of him! That is just Sadism, and it show's the standards and what really matters in todays society: MONEY! $$$ $$$
Okay, now that I've had my fun spouting silly shit that in essence may be what the guy has coming, I'll give my real opinion of this matter.
AC is 100% right when he says it's not anyones responsibility to get involved. It isn't, and speaking honestly I wouldn't get involved myself unless I knew 100% he didn't have a gun or a knife (because from what I saw I am 100% sure that in fist to fist combat I could drop this guy like a bag of shit) I wouldn't do shit. If I somehow knew he didn't have a gun or knife, I'd probably do something.
In this day and age, when anyone on the street could have a concealed weapon, you can't expect people to risk their lives over something like this.
That said, had someone else done the things I described (kicking him in teh balls, stabbing him, then curbing him) then they'd be my personal hero. But, I'd never do that because of the consequences and I don't have what it takes to kill a person, no matter how worthless they may in fact be. Although, my primal emotions don't deny that I do think he does deserve that.
Oh, and for the woman, the ear cutting thing was just me being silly. I do think, however, a pimp slap would be in order.
Originally posted by PVS
to admit that you might not help is nothing to be ashamed of.
to express that as your belief is however imho. i guess humans
are just selfish and needy by nature.if you saw a man choking and knew how to save him, would you? or would you say "let the paramedics handle it" when you know damn well that the man will be dead before they show up?
the arguement is being mixed up with talks of vigilante justice. the simple fact is there were MORE than enough people to at least restrain the man until police show up. our laws protect good sumeritans for the most part and allow for citizens arrest.
that was a room full of pussies, and though they may have had this 'if it doesnt affect me, it doesnt matter' attitude before the attack, i bet they stay up at night restless, wishing to god they could turn the clock back and do the right thing.
False comparison; there is no risk in saving someone from dying from choking. No citizen has a civic or moral obligation to put him or herself in harm's way to prevent a crime.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
In relation to ARC, the whole point was that I didn't directly call him that and it got blown out of proportion to make it look like I did.On topic:
Someone said people are pussies. People are also self-centered enough to wish the law didn't apply to them. Hence why we have situations like the pizza thing.
"Ah...it's times like these when I wish Police Forces weren't so corrupt, or at least so lazy...."
Fact is that even the police think "Not my responsibility" from time to time.
They choose to do it for a profession too, you don't. So why it's anyone's responsibility to help out, I just don't get (I do get it, it's just dumb).
-AC
I think I may have been a little harsh out of reaction in agreeing with a couple of things.... Inded it IS your right not to get involved.. People ARE different, Im just saying that its not wrong either to want to help either and that I cant understand how people expect help all the time but won't help another....
It just mystifies me a little...You know....??
Originally posted by PVS
wrong ush. that person can turn around and sue you.
you are at a high legal risk when being a good sumeritan.
the difference is one risk is physical and the other is legal.
That's a pathetic comparison. There is a moral obligation to help someone in trouble if there is no direct risk to you. Babbling on about being sued for saving someone from choking to death is a rejection of a basic view of civic morality.
Originally posted by BackFire
Okay, now that I've had my fun spouting silly shit that in essence may be what the guy has coming, I'll give my real opinion of this matter.AC is 100% right when he says it's not anyones responsibility to get involved. It isn't, and speaking honestly I wouldn't get involved myself unless I knew 100% he didn't have a gun or a knife (because from what I saw I am 100% sure that in fist to fist combat I could drop this guy like a bag of shit) I wouldn't do shit. If I somehow knew he didn't have a gun or knife, I'd probably do something.
In this day and age, when anyone on the street could have a concealed weapon, you can't expect people to risk their lives over something like this.
That said, had someone else done the things I described (kicking him in teh balls, stabbing him, then curbing him) then they'd be my personal hero. But, I'd never do that because of the consequences and I don't have what it takes to kill a person, no matter how worthless they may in fact be. Although, my primal emotions don't deny that I do think he does deserve that.
Oh, and for the woman, the ear cutting thing was just me being silly. I do think, however, a pimp slap would be in order.
So perfectly put...
'cept you fo'got to pull dat nappy ass weave!
PVS Ush is right.
"i bet they stay up at night restless, wishing to god they could turn the clock back and do the right thing."
Or maybe they went to bed and slept like most people would do and you're just over moralising it.
About the man choking, I am more likely to help. I'm more likely to help a man choking and an old lady with her bags than I am to go and get involved in a FIGHT.
That makes me a pussy? Excellent. Like I said, being the bravest and most moral guy in the burial grounds means nothing.
-AC
Originally posted by Ushgarak
False comparison; there is no risk in saving someone from dying from choking. No citizen has a civic or moral obligation to put him or herself in harm's way to prevent a crime.
True but then if someone does it anyway, if the cops aren't about and that person saves one of your family members from a kicking or worse, then would you be grateful or resentful of the intervening individual..?