Can you have organized choas??

the nwo have been resposible for all the major incidents for the past 100+ years 🥷 *fades away into the darkness*

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
By happening I meant, in progress.

If it's happening you can't really organise, just control.

So I guess you can organise the fruition, then control the proceedings.

-AC

But if chaos is "out of control", How can you organize it? Your argument doesn't make sense.

There is such thing as partial control.

Like controlled rebellion. It makes perfect sense.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There is such thing as partial control.

Like controlled rebellion. It makes perfect sense.

-AC

Come on man, you can't control chaos. If you do/can, then it isn't chaos.

You don't believe that chaos outbreaking in society and kept at a certain level is not controlled chaos?

Maybe I shouldn't have said "controlled". Manipulated is better.

-AC

society is manipulated
its called order out of chaos

''The reason we are so controlled is not that we don’t have the power to decide our own destiny, it is that we give that power away every minute of our lives. When something happens that we don’t like, we look for someone else to blame. When there is a problem in the world, we say “What are they going to do about it”. At which point they, who have secretly created the problem in the first place, respond to this demand by introducing a ‘solution’ - more centralisation of power and erosion of freedom. If you want to give more powers to the police, security agencies and military, and you want the public to demand you do it,then ensure there is more crime, violence and terrorism, and then it’s a cinch to achieve your aims. Once the people are in fear of being burgled, mugged or bombed, they will demand that you take their freedom away to protect them from what they have been manipulated to fear. The Oklahoma bombing is a classic of this kind, as I detail in ..And The Truth Shall Set You Free. I call this technique problem-reaction-solution.
Create the problem, encourage the reaction “something must be done”, and then offer the solution. It is summed up by the Freemason motto ‘Ordo Ab Chao’ - order out of chaos. Create the chaos and then offer the way to restore order. Your order.''
Physical control of the global population cannot work. But it is not necessary when you can manipulate the way people think and feel to
the point where they ‘decide’ to do what you want them to do anyway and demand that you introduce laws that you want to introduce. It is an old, old adage that if you want someone to do something, get them to believe it is their idea.’ Humanity is mind controlled and only slightly more conscious than your average zombie. Far fetched? No, no.1 define mind control as the manipulation of someone’s mind so that they think,
and therefore act, the way you want them to. Under this definition, the question is not how many people are mind controlled, but how few are not.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There is such thing as partial control.

Like controlled rebellion. It makes perfect sense.

-AC

You're deluding yourself. You can not control what is out of control.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You don't believe that chaos outbreaking in society and kept at a certain level is not controlled chaos?

Maybe I shouldn't have said "controlled". Manipulated is better.

-AC

That's why I used the term 'contained' chaos. A tempest in a tea pot kinda thing.

"Contained"? How can you contain what's out-of-control?

You're looking at it from a one dimesional point of view. Look at my examples. "Contained" is relevant if you do.

Chaos and organised are absolute opposites.

Okay. Here's how I see it. If you want to contain chaos you eliminate it, therefore there is no chaos. But in doing so you could escalate things. The ill-war in Iraq is a perfect example. You can not have it both ways.

Originally posted by Reborn Again
"Contained"? How can you contain what's out-of-control?

Strands of uncontrolable elements can exist inside of the more organized and controlled world.

Its a paradox, so no.

Its like silent screams. You cannot scream in silence and you cannot control chaos - chaos = lack of control, just like scream = sound.

think of protests, they try to cause chaos, but they have a organised date and venue, organised and chaos are complete opposites but that doesn't mean you cant do both at the same time, thats like saying you cant raise one hand and lower the other

Are you saying all protests are an element of chaotic movement? Isn't the purpose of a protest a way of trying to establish a way to prevent chaos? And organised protest tries to stop chaotic movement against others. It's only when there is opposition against organization that chaos occurs.

a distraction then, say a man is robbing a bank with a crowd outside, he places a sniper on the roof, he shoots someone and the crowd and the crowd gets chaotic, someone has organised that chaos so it is organised chaos indisputably.

Definition of chaos: "Chaos is the breakdown of predictability, or a state of disorder (cf Chaos Discussion, also Chaos is Everywhere Discussion)."

now does this not prove chaos cannever be organized, this is how i see it: Chaos is random this very planet could be destroyed any second, every second a planet somewere is being destroyed at random mainly by black holes, black holes are very random nobody knows how they work or why but one day one will hit out planet, the theory is that it could literaly be ANY second, so how can chaos be organised?
To be organised it would have to be being controled by someone in my opinion the only way chaos can be controled is by a higher denty (a god) but i do not bileve in that stuff.
Even chaos that humnity thinks it controles it does not for example one of the bigges formes of chaos in this day and age are bomb now a bomb can be set to blow up a builfing but it can not be controled how the only way to find out is to activate it.

Originally posted by seriph
a distraction then, say a man is robbing a bank with a crowd outside, he places a sniper on the roof, he shoots someone and the crowd and the crowd gets chaotic, someone has organised that chaos so it is organised chaos indisputably.

No, it means the man has orchastrated the beginning of a chaotic movement, thus distrubing an organized moment. But I see how you might get confused.

Originally posted by seriph
think of protests, they try to cause chaos, but they have a organised date and venue, organised and chaos are complete opposites but that doesn't mean you cant do both at the same time, thats like saying you cant raise one hand and lower the other

That's just silly.

As for someone promting a riot, that's not chgaos. Chaos is what ensues. I mean, if your scenario played itself out, there's nothing th egunman or organizer can do to contro lthe crowd after it goes insane. And my example of contained chaos still stands, using your example. Let's say that that demonstration doesn't spill over into the next city block. Well, that can be contained chaos. But, the guy that planned it...even if he planned the results...can't predict how that crowd is going to react....or even act.