Can you have organized choas??

Chaos - The confused, unorganized condition or mass of matter before the creation of distinct and orderly forms.

Now that answer is chaotic in its own rite.

Originally posted by peterKSL
Chaos - The confused, unorganized condition or mass of matter before the creation of distinct and orderly forms.

See, I think that my notion of contained chaos is well reflected in your definition. Maybe I haven't been very clear in what I'm saying. Take a snow glode for example. If you shake up the snow globe, then there is chaos inside of this snow globe. You can't determine or control where the snow flakes in the snow globe are going to land or even the path their going to take to get there. They just swirle around inside of the snow globe and settle where ever they will. Contained chaos is th a same thing.

But this idea of organized or controlled chaos would have to mean that you knew where and what path those snowflakes were going to take to reach their destination.

^ it's not my defination, I got it from the web... I should have quoted it.. was lazy to do it...

Originally posted by peterKSL
^ it's not my defination, I got it from the web... I should have quoted it.. was lazy to do it...

But if you quoted it, then you have to agree with it.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
See, I think that my notion of contained chaos is well reflected in your definition. Maybe I haven't been very clear in what I'm saying. Take a snow glode for example. If you shake up the snow globe, then there is chaos inside of this snow globe. You can't determine or control where the snow flakes in the snow globe are going to land or even the path their going to take to get there. They just swirle around inside of the snow globe and settle where ever they will. Contained chaos is th a same thing.

But this idea of organized or controlled chaos would have to mean that you knew where and what path those snowflakes were going to take to reach their destination.

I believe you're controdicting yourself with chaos and contained chaos. And in the example of the snow globe -- this "chaos" with the snowflakes is a poor example because the chaos is happening in a controlled environment. There is no other place for the snowflakes to go but to the bottom of the globe. For true chaos to take place there must be no controlled elements harbouring it. The snow globe is a controlled element. Thus there is organization and no chaos.

Chaos cannot be contained, for then it ceases to be chaos - chaos is chaos through and through.

Okay, how about my earlier example of a river after it rains?

Chaos and order are relative concepts. Who is to say what is 'ordered' and what is 'chaotic'?

ordered and chaotic are both words created by humans, they understand it, and thus they should be able to define it...

Anyway, I agree with chaos and order are relative concepts...

yes there can be organized choas. The most visible proof is the Universe.
It appears to be random cataclysmic acts erupting without any order but within that seemingly choatic franzy lies a certain order and law that these phenomenon follow.

That's interesting. Could it be like the human body? It's all orderly and seemingly symetric, but inside there's chaos happenin.

LordFear, debbiejo... VERY good examples.

There could be cause for altering my argument of there be no such thing as organized chaos. Think outside the box... 😮‍💨

I have the perfect example of "organized Chaos" from a book I'm reading right now...

It seem that plasma is a gas containing a high density of electrons and positive ions, atoms that have a positive charge. It's been found that once they are in a plasma, they stopped behaving like individuals and started behaving as if were part of a larger interconnected whole.

They were individuals acting in a random pattern, but as a whole, they were well organized.

Tah Dah.....

😉

In my physics class or is it chem?
Anway they listed the many states of matter but my teacher always referred as plasma an if if possibility. Scientists are still unsure they say!!!

Originally posted by debbiejo
I have the perfect example of "organized Chaos" from a book I'm reading right now...

It seem that plasma is a gas containing a high density of electrons and positive ions, atoms that have a positive charge. It's been found that once they are in a plasma, they stopped behaving like individuals and started behaving as if were part of a larger interconnected whole.

They were individuals acting in a random pattern, but as a whole, they were well organized.

Tah Dah.....

😉

But that's not organized chaos. They were chaotic, then became organizaed. Two different states.

blowup

They were chaotic individuals while in the group of interconnected organization as a whole.

Originally posted by Reborn Again
We are living in it right now. Organized chaos is order within chaos and chaos within order, two sides of a coin that serve a purpose to confront our lives, living in a confused world where we know nothng but think we know everything. That is organizaed chaos.

*nods* I like that.

Huh. Seems like all I'm doing in this forum is becoming a dittohead.