STATIC-X Guitarist Busted On Sex Assault, Kidnapping Charges - Feb. 26, 2005

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"What if she said she was going to meet some friends, but went to meet some 39 year old guy she met on the internet instead or met in a shopping center or well anywhere?"

None of the parents I know have gone through shit like that. The fact that they are intelligent, responsible parents isn't coincidence.

I just told you that the same parents can have children who are totally different, it happens all the time. Why do some parents have children who never get into trouble and other children who are totally out of control?

This is basically the nature/nurture debate, I happen to believe that its a mixture of both, and quite a lot of it depends on the child's personality.

If you really believe that there is a way to bring up children that will guarantee that they will be totally well behaved, then you know even less about bringing up children than I initially gave you credit for.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"No, I'm just taking issue with your definition of paedophile, it might be the dictionary definition, but you and I both know that people use "paedophile" to describe certain types of people."

Dictionary definition is anyone with an attraction to young children or those underage. So he is a paedophile by definition. There's been one, possibly two cases, provable. Doesn't make him a serial paedogeddon.

But, isnt this a contradiction? 😑

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Technically you cannot legally consent when underage.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
However, if she did actually consent, I don't think she should be walking around like a victim.

If she cannot legally consent when underage (like she cant) then she is a victim, no?

On the topic of kids Daron, we're getting into how we'd raise kids. Which is slightly irrelavent. I'm not saying it has to be controlled or rebel, stating that some mistakes should NEVER come about if you're even a half decent parent.

I never doubted the girl was a victim, I was just saying she was at partial fault. It wasn't ALL the guy. That's my opinion.

-AC

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
But, isnt this a contradiction? 😑

If she cannot legally consent when underage (like she cant) then she is a victim, no?

In a legal sense, yes.

Not quite a contradiction, more...what I was actually saying.

'As I've said...oh, 3-4 times already? Heh...

(not picking on you here, just pointing out that that's been said already and people seem to have not noticed it)'

Sorry, didn't read it. Even so, it was relevant to my point so I would have still said it.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not saying it has to be controlled or rebel, stating that some mistakes should NEVER come about if you're even a half decent parent.

I agree, there are definately mistakes that should never be made.
I'm just saying that a parent can do their very best, but sometimes no matter what there really is no way to know for sure how your child will turn out.

You make it sound like it wasn't all the evil guitarist's fault...

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
You make it sound like it wasn't all the evil guitarist's fault...

I'm not talking about this case.

I'm saying that if Alpha thinks he/she can bring his/her child up in such a way that that child would never go off and meet a 39 year old man she met on the internet, then they are wrong.

I'm not talking about either of the girls involved in this case, since I don't know them.

Sneaking out or lying to go meet a 39 year old man she met on the internet, doesn't necessarily signify that the girl in question is a bad person or anything like that, just that she is an impressionable teenager.

"I'm saying that if Alpha thinks he/she can bring his/her child up in such a way that that child would never go off and meet a 39 year old man she met on the internet, then they are wrong."

What I'm saying is, she can make the attempt all she wants. A responsible parent isn't gonna let it happen.

Is your girl capable of sneaking out Daron?

Even so, all this is irrelavent. My point has been made really. This is for a parental thread.

-AC

Originally posted by daronisgod
I'm not talking about this case.

I'm saying that if Alpha thinks he/she can bring his/her child up in such a way that that child would never go off and meet a 39 year old man she met on the internet, then they are wrong.

Of course you can. It's hardly routine behaviour. It's like saying you can't bring up a child not to jump out the window.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"I'm saying that if Alpha thinks he/she can bring his/her child up in such a way that that child would never go off and meet a 39 year old man she met on the internet, then they are wrong."

What I'm saying is, she can make the attempt all she wants. A responsible parent isn't gonna let it happen.

Is your girl capable of sneaking out Daron?

Even so, all this is irrelavent. My point has been made really. This is for a parental thread.

-AC

Yeah, this is for a different thread.

I don't have a daughter, I have a son, and if he wanted to he could, he is sixteen, but I doubt he would, he's never given me any problems. He does pretty much everything I tell him to, besides stuff like leaving his bag on the floor instead of putting it away or going out after school with his school uniform on.

I just don't understand how you'd stop her, I guess you could call the police or something, like I said nothing to stop her lying. *shrugs*

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Of course you can. It's hardly routine behaviour. It's like saying you can't bring up a child not to jump out the window.

My god, I wish I didn't have to keep repeating myself.

Here goes again: If you have kid who does what ever he/she wants, how the hell are you gonna stop them... there is no way to guarantee that your child won't become the kind of person who would lie and say they were going to meet friends and instead go meet a 39 year old man, if you don't know thats what they're gonna do, how are you going to stop them?

You can tell your child its a stupid thing to do, doesn't mean they'll listen... just like you can tell your kid not to smoke, doesn't mean they're not going to or not to sleep around...

Thats like saying you can stop your teenager from getting herself pregnant, by bringing her up properly, the only you could ever know for sure what they were doing is by never letting them out of your sight.

That's not repeating yourself, it's a different statement to:

'I'm saying that if Alpha thinks he/she can bring his/her child up in such a way that that child would never go off and meet a 39 year old man she met on the internet, then they are wrong.'

Maybe if you were clear in the first place, you wouldn't need to 'repeat' yourself.

Saying you cannot stop an unruly child is not the same as saying you cannot bring up a child not to be unruly.

its a sad stae of affairs when a rock star...a freaking rock star has to resort to meeting young gilrs over the net...especially wen theyare so many groupies running around

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Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Saying you cannot stop an unruly child is not the same as saying you cannot bring up a child not to be unruly.

Wow, I got a bit confused when you totally misunderstood one of my statements and turned it into god knows what, when me and alpha had been talking about parenting for half an hour. rolleyes1

I'd love to know what this magic parenting formula is that only you and Alpha know about?

true. its weak but there you go.

and as for static x, i likes Machine aswell, but after that i wasn't all that interested. they put on a good live show when i saw them though

"I'd love to know what this magic parenting formula is that only you and Alpha know about?"

I've repeated myself more than you here and yet you complain.

What I am trying to say to you is....

There are certain things that given enough influence, you can raise a child to KNOW is wrong. I never once spoke to or went near ANY stranger, never stole, why? Because I was RAISED to believe those things were wrong and that I shouldn't do them. Nor was I given any reason to believe otherwise.

A child that has been off the rails it's whole life is more than likely incapable of being changed. A child born is capable of being raised to NOT be unruly. Obviously things CAN take drastic turns but that's the long and short of it.

I'm gonna start bringing an etch a sketch to this forum.

-AC

Originally posted by daronisgod
Wow, I got a bit confused when you totally misunderstood one of my statements and turned it into god knows what, when me and alpha had been talking about parenting for half an hour. rolleyes1

I'd love to know what this magic parenting formula is that only you and Alpha know about?

Why do you need a magic formula to be able to stop your child from meeting old men from the internet? It's called information and education.

You actually made the blanket statement that such an outcome is impossible to stop. You may like to say you didn't: you did. If you didn't mean to, then you explained yourself wrongly.

wow...i lived in old bridge nj for the past 12 years...just moved out last month...small world it is

they are bring up more charges so this is not a one time thing