Originally posted by Alpha CentauriYes it was partly her fault. We're not saying she deserved it.
So what are you saying then? What is your point...?
If you argued in front of a judge that it is partly her fault, then you are saying that it wasnt entiraly his responsibility, which as an adult who knew what he was doing, id say it was his responisibility. You would argue against this man's full sentance because it was kid's fault too??
Wow...
One VERY important point: THE GIRL CONSENTED TO HAVING SEX WITH HIM. While not being old enough to legally do so, she still did agree to having sex, she was not forced into it.
And I'm not saying that he doesn't deserve to go to jail...but this all could have not happened if the girl didn't decide to meet up with him.
Backfire: The law also says that he isn't technically a paedophile but that doesn't seem to matter here.
"Well, we're not talking about a coin, we're talking about a teenage girls bad decision that she legaly, technically and logically isn't accountable for. That's all that matters."
Why did you just make a completely irrelevant comment when you obviously knew what I meant? Of course we're not talking about a coin. She made a wrong decision. Can wrong exist without right? No. If you know of wrong, you know of right. To make a wrong decision, you ignore or disregard the right one. It's not rocket science.
"Yes, she is. According to anyone that matters children that age are less likely to recognize a bad situation or decision."
According to me that's an assumption. Since when are we going by the opinions of "anyone that matters"? I'm forming my own opinion. You can argue someone elses point all you want if it helps.
She's a child? Despicable. She's LEGALLY a child. Not MENTALLY. Which is what counts. At 17, you are a child by law. Does that mean if it happened to a girl of 17, she'd be off the hook? No. It's all coming down to your assumption that she was irrational.
-AC
"So what are you saying then? What is your point...? If you argued in front of a judge that it is partly her fault, then you are saying that it wasnt entiraly his responsibility, which as an adult who knew what he was doing, id say it was his responisibility. You would argue against this man's full sentance because it was kid's fault too?? Wow..."
Why don't you try reading what I post instead of quoting one line and interpreting them how you see fit? Such a childish debater.
She went to meet him. If she didn't could he have committed the act? No. She left herself completely open to the consequences of an internet meeting with a 34 year old. How can you say she's void of responsibility? She isn't. She consented sex.
-AC
Im shocked and appalled - i wonder if the person wasnt from Dope/Static X band, but some filthy trailer trash fat greasy guy, the people would be saying the same...hmm, something to ponder about.
Im amazed at how people think...then im amazed at how im still amazed at the way people think.
But yeah, sure whatever you think is right...in normal circumstances id say ''more power to you'' but now i will say ''less power and less people like you''.
AC - childish debater? You should perhaps learn to attack the idea, or the point thats being made - not the person whos making it. Or perhaps learn the differance between those two.
"Why did you just make a completely irrelevant comment when you obviously knew what I meant? Of course we're not talking about a coin. She made a wrong decision. Can wrong exist without right? No. If you know of wrong, you know of right. To make a wrong decision, you ignore or disregard the right one. It's not rocket science."
Unless she didn't recognize the decision she made as bad. Which, by using logic you can deduce is likely the case. No one advertantly makes a bad decision. I doubt she said "oh, this is a bad decision! I shouldn't do this, I might be taken advantage of by an older man who may be an internet predator". She made her decision obviously thinking it was the right decision, and I believe this is because of her age and lack of mature reasoning.
"According to me that's an assumption. Since when are we going by the opinions of "anyone that matters"? I'm forming my own opinion. You can argue someone elses point all you want if it helps."
My opinion would be the same regaurdless, it's not my fault that the people who make the law, psychologists and experts in child mentallity feel the same way. If experts and people who make the law agree with what you're saying, it would be stupid not to use that fact to your advantage in an argument.
"She's a child? Despicable. She's LEGALLY a child. Not MENTALLY. Which is what counts. At 17, you are a child by law. Does that mean if it happened to a girl of 17, she'd be off the hook? No. It's all coming down to your assumption that she was irrational."
Yes, she is mentally still a child. Fact is 14 year olds don't have the same mentality as an adult, which makes her, yes, that's right, mentally a child.
"Im shocked and appalled - i wonder if the person wasnt from Dope/Static X band, but some filthy trailer trash fat greasy guy, the people would be saying the same...hmm, something to ponder about."
I don't even like Static X, I think they're shit. Oops, what's that? Oh it's another one of your incredibly invalid, silly and downright overblown comments coming crashing to earth.
"But yeah, sure whatever you think is right...in normal circumstances id say ''more power to you'' but now i will say ''less power and less people like you''."
Less people like you. Says the girl who hates opinions that conflict her own, hates things that she can't understand and hates anyone that doesn't 100% agree with her. You go girl, as you would say. Attack the idea not the person? Look at what I just quoted please. You always try to pick stuff out when we're in debates and every time I spank you. Purely because you never think and you never read my posts. Hence why I have to explain things to you more than 3 times, you never pay attention.
Backfire: If you believe it's because of her age then you can also accept that it's a big assumption because I know loads of 14 year olds who would never get into that situation. Infact, she said she was a massive fan, she would have known how old he was then. It's not like she thought she was meeting with a kid.
"If experts and people who make the law agree with what you're saying, it would be stupid not to use that fact to your advantage in an argument."
Experts are just people who give opinions as a profession. Nothing more or less.
"Yes, she is mentally still a child. Fact is 14 year olds don't have the same mentality as an adult, which makes her, yes, that's right, mentally a child"
Ridiculous. So a 17 year old is still mentally a child incapable of making their own decision? It seems to me that you've singled out her age to make it work for you. 18 year olds are "adults", so you're not proving anything by saying "adults" as if they're all 40 with a sane mind. I know 14 year olds who don't suck at making decisions. I know 30 year olds who do.
-AC
"Backfire: If you believe it's because of her age then you can also accept that it's a big assumption because I know loads of 14 year olds who would never get into that situation. Infact, she said she was a massive fan, she would have known how old he was then. It's not like she thought she was meeting with a kid."
Too cut back on the repetition in this thread, let me say that everything is saying assumptions, so no need to continue pointing that out constantly. You're making assumptions, I'm making assumptions. Time to move on.
"Experts are just people who give opinions as a profession. Nothing more or less."
Lets not trivialize a persons expertise here, a person is an expert because their opinion has more validity in the particular subject they are an expert in, because they are more educated in said subject then most people. So, their opinion is more valid.
"Ridiculous. So a 17 year old is still mentally a child incapable of making their own decision? It seems to me that you've singled out her age to make it work for you. 18 year olds are "adults", so you're not proving anything by saying "adults" as if they're all 40 with a sane mind. I know 14 year olds who don't suck at making decisions. I know 30 year olds who do."
That's nice, however it's more likely that a 14 year old will make a poor decision then an 18 year old, there is a reason for this, and it's because of their mentality.
You love your assumptions.
Depends what the debate is about, what aspect.
If I'm debating them in psychology about their chosen field and they know more, of course they'll win. Rather silly comment.
It's like saying "You're fast but Maurice Greene will beat you." Doesn't mean I can't race him does it? Yes, I know we're not discussing runners, before you get all literal on me. It was an example.
-AC
Well, considering we are discussing the psyche of a 14 year old girl, and rather or not it's comparable to an adult, I think it's fair to assume your comment of....
"It's still conflictable though. Being an opinion and all that jazz.
I could still have a debate with a psychologist, we all could."
...would be relevent and in reference to the current discussion about the psyche of a 14 year old girl.