Are there things about your religion that upset you?

Adam chose to learn the knowledge of good and evil when he ate of the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God created man with the choice to obey or disobey Him and when man chose to disobey he gained the knowledge of evil although he had only known the goodness of God. You have the right to believe what you want but you can also believe a lie and be damned for it. You can live your life not wanting to believe in or obey God but that doesn't mean that there is no God and that one day you will have to give an account to Him for your choices in life. Jesus (Yeshua) took your punishment on the cross so that you wouldn't have to suffer the consequences of your choice not to obey God (sin) - He did it to re-establish relationship with fallen mankind. There is one catch - you have to believe that He died in your place. If you don't accept what He did for you then why should He let you into His house (heaven) . You reject what He offers (salvation) because you wanna do your own thing and have it your way but that doesn't mean that there is no God - it means you choose to reject Him.

God will not send you to hell.......He will not make you to burn
forever.

I need to know mor about what you are doing?

I am actually very grateful to Jesus for taking my sins. Cheers brotha'! 😎

But to me, it just seems like God's a bully who acts like the toughest kid in the playground. Instead of pushing me around and telling me how to live my life, why doesn't he say something encouraging like 'Wow, BlackC@t, that's really cool that you're a spiritual person, it's also cool that you have interests and stuff!' Instead of saying "That stuff's bad, now do what I say!"

Adam and Eve existed in a world without evil, and had no knowledge of the difference between right and wrong. God may have warned Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge but without knowing the difference between right and wrong, they could not know that disobeying God was wrong, let alone what wrong was. It certainly does not seem fair to punish them because God is a poor supervisor. That is equivocal to leaving a three year old alone in a room with a knife and telling him not to play with, and then getting upset when he cuts himself.

Adam and Eve existed in a world without evil, and had no knowledge of the difference between right and wrong. God may have warned Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge but without knowing the difference between right and wrong, they could not know that disobeying God was wrong, let alone what wrong was. It certainly does not seem fair to punish them because God is a poor supervisor. That is equivocal to leaving a three year old alone in a room with a knife and telling him not to play with, and then getting upset when he cuts himself.

Not entirely correct. A ) Adam and Eve were definetly warned not to eat from that tree. B ) It is incorrect to say that they didnt know the difference between right and wrong. What they didnt know of was EVIL not right or wrong.

As to the punishment, it was given for the disobedience. God hates sin and man seperated himself from God by doing so. So God shows them the result of that. Despite this though, man was still given a chance at salvation if they so choose.

God is simply nature itself and has no concern or awareness of the existence of human beings.

In your estimation, ok. I disagree though.

There are a lot of things I hate, but you don't see me crying about it and damning people to Hell.

Hate is also an awfully strong word...

I am a Christian... but not a Catholic, not a Baptist, not even a Mormon, not a Jehovah's witness, not a Pentecostal, not a member of any Protestant denominations...

I am a Christian... and I don't have anything to be upset of regarding my religion and our church.

🙂

Originally posted by BlackC@
Are there things about your religion that upset you?

Nope.

I'm a Christian and I'd definitely say that there are things in my religion that bother me. However it's all brought on by people, rather than the religion itself. There's just a sense of overall intolerance from many Christians out there. Whether it's bashing people for their sexual orientation or trying to force feed people religion, it's just pathetic. Half of these churches are more concerned with their church then they are their religion. For instance, there's a church near where I live, these people spend hundreds of thousands on sound systems and tv screens, and their self promoting projects like their own movie about their church and their newest thing is a trading card game. They could actually be helping out the community if they put any amount of that money into it. So yeah, that's what grinds my gears.

Originally posted by MRasheed
Nope.

Not even the bigotry?

Originally posted by MRasheed
[b]Nope. [/B]

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
[b]Not even the bigotry? [/B]

lol There's no bigotry in Islam, except against disbelievers who attack believers.

There's bigotry among the people though, who hold onto stuff that God condemned because of their own personal, cultural, tribal issues, but that has nothing to do with Islam.

Originally posted by MRasheed
lol There's no bigotry in Islam, except against disbelievers who attack believers.

You don't think that condemning all those who disagree with you as infinitely evil counts as bigotry?

Originally posted by MRasheed
lol There's no bigotry in Islam, except against disbelievers who attack believers.

There's bigotry among the people though, who hold onto stuff that God condemned because of their own personal, cultural, tribal issues, but that has nothing to do with Islam.

Actually, there is bigotry. The religion excuse it, but it's still there.

Like how it takes two women to equal one man in legal matters, as Allah made the man excel the woman. Or how Muslim women must marry Muslim men.

I'm no adept at Islam, but there's more. Just because something is accepted, doesn't mean it's not bigotry.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You don't think that condemning all those who disagree with you as infinitely evil counts as bigotry?

bigotry - the practice of having very strong and unreasonable opinions, especially about politics, race, or religion, and refusing to consider other people’s opinions

Nope. Sentencing to hell folk who disbelieve in their Maker is quite reasonable.

That's false, actually. Bigotry means intolerance. "Unreasonable" does not define "bigotry"

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
Like how it takes two women to equal one man in legal matters, as Allah made the man excel the woman.

That's not bigotry, that's a fundamental difference in how men and women record information and events giving men and advantage in matters such as legality/contract law and giving women the advantage in counseling and relationships.

In other words, it's the One who made us showing us insight in how the two sexes are different when it comes to certain things.

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
Or how Muslim women must marry Muslim men.

Again that is not bigotry. Pagan men during the time period would torture their women and make them give up their belief in the One God... especially significant during those times of war. I have many female family members and friends who take up vices like smoking weed, drinking, etc. for no other reason than because their men pushed them into it. This is not a bigoted passage but one built on a solid understanding of the male/female dynamic.

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
[b]That's false, actually. Bigotry means intolerance. "Unreasonable" does not define "bigotry" [/B]

'False' based on what? I didn't make it up, it's a dictionary definition. Do you write your own dictionary? It'll be hard to have a discussion like that.

Originally posted by MRasheed
That's not bigotry, that's a fundamental difference in how men and women record information and events giving men and advantage in matters such as legality/contract law and giving women the advantage in counseling and relationships.

In other words, it's the One who made us showing us insight in how the two sexes are different when it comes to certain things.

It's putting one gender below the other. No matter what Allah has said, that's not a balanced society. It's excused, as Allah made the man excel the woman, and that he made the man take care of the woman, but it's still there.

As for the latter example, albeit unfamiliar with it, the same apply. It's putting the woman above the man. They aren't equal, and not being equal makes not being of equal worth. Which is objective bigotry.

Originally posted by MRasheed
Again that is not bigotry. Pagan men during the time period would torture their women and make them give up their belief in the One God... especially significant during those times of war. I have many female family members and friends who take up vices like smoking weed, drinking, etc. for no other reason than because their men pushed them into it. This is not a bigoted passage but one built on a solid understanding of the male/female dynamic.

Men can marry any people of the book, but women only Muslim men. You can excuse it however you want, but that doesn't remove the bigotry.
Additionally, what does smoking weed, drinking and more have to do with what we're talking about?

Originally posted by MRasheed
'False' based on what? I didn't make it up, it's a dictionary definition. Do you write your own dictionary? It'll be hard to have a discussion like that.

I didn't say you made it up. I meant that whoever wrote that doesn't properly elaborate the meaning of bigotry. Bigotry doesn't mean unreasonable, it really doesn't.
I can hate religion because it's the prime cause of death across history. It's not unreasonable hate, because it's true and I value life highly. That doesn't mean it ain't bigotry.

I feel that the world would be better of without religion, and I feel a certain intolerance towards religious extremists. That's bigotry, even though it's rather reasonable (To me).

My point is, bigotry does not mean unreasonable. I don't know what dictionairy you have, but not Oxford, Merriam-Webster or American Heritage Dictionary define it as unreasonable.