Are there things about your religion that upset you?

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
It's putting one gender below the other. No matter what Allah has said, that's not a balanced society. It's excused, as Allah made the man excel the woman, and that he made the man take care of the woman, but it's still there.

It's not upholding over the other, not at all. It's two fundamentally different beings... one weak in some areas but strong in others, and the other strong in some areas but weak in others... who alternate the uses of each of their strengths depending on the situation. That is by no means bigoted, but the normal functioning of healthy teamwork in action. I'm strong where you are weak, while you're strong where I'm weak, thus enabling us to get more done as the pair we were created to be than we would do alone.

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
As for the latter example, albeit unfamiliar with it, the same apply. It's putting the woman above the man. They aren't equal, and not being equal makes not being of equal worth.

Just because they are different doesn't mean they aren't equal, Super Marie 64. The only thing God judges us by is the measure of righteousness versus sinfulness. All He did in this case was, as our Creator, instruct us in the best way to use our strengths in certain circumstances to minimize drama in our affairs.

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
Men can marry any people of the book, but women only Muslim men. You can excuse it however you want, but that doesn't remove the bigotry.

It's not bigotry, it's common sense in light of how people treat each other in those circumstances.

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
Additionally, what does smoking weed, drinking and more have to do with what we're talking about?

It was an analogy. 😬

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
I didn't say you made it up. I meant that whoever wrote that doesn't properly elaborate the meaning of bigotry. Bigotry doesn't mean unreasonable, it really doesn't. My point is, bigotry does not mean unreasonable. I don't know what dictionairy you have, but not Oxford, Merriam-Webster or American Heritage Dictionary define it as unreasonable.

Those must be your sacred texts. What does your alternate definition say?

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
I can hate religion because it's the prime cause of death across history.

That is the most ignorant statement I have ever heard.

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
I feel that the world would be better of without religion...

I feel the world would be better off without atheism, paganism and sins of the flesh.

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
...and I feel a certain intolerance towards religious extremists.

Makes sense.

Originally posted by MRasheed
That is the most ignorant statement I have ever heard.

I'd answer the rest, but decided to focus on this.

Is it really? I'm not talking about some stupid one-sided "religion kills" argument. Hitler alone was the cause of death for millions of Jews. Then there's the Christian crusade, the Spanish people and native America, and general bigotry towards religious people, bigotry by religious people and the list goes on.

Granted, politics has killed a great deal of people as well, but many political powers are segregated by religion. I'm not saying religion kills, but death happens because of it.

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
[b]I'd answer the rest, but decided to focus on this.

Is it really? I'm not talking about some stupid one-sided "religion kills" argument. Hitler alone was the cause of death for millions of Jews. Then there's the Christian crusade, the Spanish people and native America, and general bigotry towards religious people, bigotry by religious people and the list goes on.

Granted, politics has killed a great deal of people as well, but many political powers are segregated by religion. I'm not saying religion kills, but death happens because of it. [/B]

Mao Tse-Tung and Stalin killed quite a few people: mostly not about religion, either.

So did the Muslim conquest of India, and the Christian crusade.

So many has died for one of the following reasons: Because of religion, for religion, in the crossfire of religion.
Granted, the same can be said about politics through history, but I'm no fan of that either.

No I like everything about being a Catholic

Not so much the religion it'self, but some of the people in it. A lot of "mormons" are religious snobs. If you don't believe what they do, or if you are not perfect in the faith, you are instantly on their bad list. And in the lds church, it is really common for 19 year old men to go on a mission, and if you don't then you are considered (by many, not the church it'self) to be a menus to society, and many girls just write you off as a possibility to date...really obnoxious. Those are the two things that bug me the most about us Mormons.

That's horrible.

What I used to hate was when a pastor would pray in front of a congregation and divulge private information about somebody who wasn't present and who had confided in the pastor.
I felt that was a form of gossip, which everyone did. I hated the gossip.

Also, if you read anything outside the faith, then people looked down on you.

i was a catholic as a child and from time to time i went to various churches from christian ones to mormon church.

my problem was that they talk trash about other religions without knowing a damn thing about it and would tell ppl not to read it b/c that is against god not even for curiosity and expanding knowledge.

basically wanting ignorance of the religion and demonizing it without allowing you to verify or learn what the other has to say.

Originally posted by King Castle
i was a catholic as a child and from time to time i went to various churches from christian ones to mormon church.

my problem was that they talk trash about other religions without knowing a damn thing about it and would tell ppl not to read it b/c that is against god not even for curiosity and expanding knowledge.

basically wanting ignorance of the religion and demonizing it without allowing you to verify or learn what the other has to say.

Originally posted by menokokoro
Not so much the religion it'self, but some of the people in it. A lot of "mormons" are religious snobs.

Originally posted by Mindship
Such snobbery is not unique to Mormons.

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
Is it really?

It is to me.

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
I'm not talking about some stupid one-sided "religion kills" argument. Hitler alone was the cause of death for millions of Jews.

So? What did that have to do with the religion Hitler followed? Hitler did this on his own without any blessing from the tenants of Christianity.

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
Then there's the Christian crusade...

The motivation of the crusades was greed, not piety. That's why everyone is ashamed of it.

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
...the Spanish people and native America...

Greed.

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
...and general bigotry towards religious people, bigotry by religious people and the list goes on...

Humans are bigoted no matter what they believe. It's definitely not a religious problem, it's a human problem.

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
Granted, politics has killed a great deal of people as well...

See?

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
...but many political powers are segregated by religion.

Segregation is evil? In what context? All contexts? Explain.

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
I'm not saying religion kills, but death happens because of it.

Death happens when it is time for people to die.

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
So did the Muslim conquest of India, and the Christian crusade.

If the Muslims killed anyone in India unprovoked, then they did not have the blessing of Islam to do so... it was done by the individuals who made that choice, not the religion. The same is true of the crusades... nothing in the Christian faith told them to do those things. It was purely a matter of greed.

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
So many has died for one of the following reasons: Because of religion, for religion, in the crossfire of religion.
Granted, the same can be said about politics through history, but I'm no fan of that either.

Some people have died in order to defend themselves and their Faith from attack... that's the closest you can get to an accurate "people have died because of religion." That's the only mass killing the Abrahamic religions actually condone, defense to protect yourself. All others are done by the egos of men, not the religions they claimed to follow.

Originally posted by menokokoro
Not so much the religion it'self, but some of the people in it. A lot of "mormons" are religious snobs. If you don't believe what they do, or if you are not perfect in the faith, you are instantly on their bad list. And in the lds church, it is really common for 19 year old men to go on a mission, and if you don't then you are considered (by many, not the church it'self) to be a menus to society, and many girls just write you off as a possibility to date...really obnoxious. Those are the two things that bug me the most about us Mormons.

Indeed: most of the Mormon missionaries I met at the MTC said that they were going on their mission because that had no hopes of marrying any gals back home if they weren't an RM. It's not supported by the church, but it's still a "social" aspect of our people that we have to deal with.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Indeed: most of the Mormon missionaries I met at the MTC said that they were going on their mission because that had no hopes of marrying any gals back home if they weren't an RM. It's not supported by the church, but it's still a "social" aspect of our people that we have to deal with.

All of you are Mormons?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Mao Tse-Tung and Stalin killed quite a few people: mostly not about religion, either.

Originally posted by Mindship
Such snobbery is not unique to Mormons.

taken into the fact that a person needed to be able to read and most poor people didnt know how to. I would guess the book was written for the rich