which mutants are omega level?? · Comic Books

Starhawk Restricted

No, it means I prefer facts over opinions.

So thats your reaction? When you don't get your way you pout and insult?

Disappear Senior Member

how would a nimrod with a malfunctioning time-travelling device [one that put him into other dimensions, and forced him to seek out forge for repairs] have access from stryker he could've used decades prior? he was a) damaged when stryker found him and b) unable to travel properly through time. that doesn't add up.

it's already been pointed out that the white room and the white hot room are not the same thing, starhawk. the white hot room's not a hangout for dead protectors of the universe. you lost that one too.

and nimrod has been debunked as well. he was using a classification system that was not of the alpha/beta/omega type, and still didn't have access to xavier's information. just because a term gets used again, that doesn't constitute a retcon. marvel has yet to use the term omega on rachel within the defined context. they've made no interviews establishing her as an omega, and seemingly took steps to leave that tag OUT when compiling their directories.

Soljer Beware my Power

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Starhawk Restricted

Originally posted by Disappear
how would a nimrod with a malfunctioning time-travelling device [one that put him into other dimensions, and forced him to seek out forge for repairs] have access from stryker he could've used decades prior? he was a) damaged when stryker found him and b) unable to travel properly through time. that doesn't add up.
it's already been pointed out that the white room and the white hot room are not the same thing, starhawk. the white hot room's not a hangout for dead protectors of the universe. you lost that one too.
and nimrod has been debunked as well. he was using a classification system that was not of the alpha/beta/omega type, and still didn't have access to xavier's information. just because a term gets used again, that doesn't constitute a retcon. marvel has yet to use the term omega on rachel within the defined context. they've made no interviews establishing her as an omega, and seemingly took steps to leave that tag OUT when compiling their directories.

Thats your opinion, unless you show me printed facts, your wasting your time.

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

I gave you an entire post of "printed facts."

Starhawk has absolutely no claim to the term "Omega mutant" regardless of your opinion. He has never been labelled an Omega in anything published. He has never entered nor manipulated the White Hot Room within the M'Kraan Crystal in anything published, not that that would make him an Omega anyway considering a group of X-Men have entered the White Hot Room and Jamie has manipulated it and they aren't confirmed Omegas.

Rachel has a less dubious claim, being a "Class Omega Contact" back in 1986 as opposed to a "Class One Contact" whatever either of those mean. But still has no claim to being an Omega mutant unless something printed post X-Men Forever labels her so.

You fail.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Starhawk has never entered nor manipulated the White Hot Room within the M'Kraan Crystal in anything published,

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Who had the nerve to say this?

Even Hawk God can't manipulate the WHR or even a Universe for that matter.

Starhawk Restricted

No I don't And I already addreassed Starhawk if you hadn't noticed. And yes he has entered and manipulated it in the comics.

Unless Marvel itself retcons it or states that she isn't the label still stands. Your opinion aside. ONLY COME TO ME WITH THAT or your wasting your time.

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

Originally posted by Mr Master
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Who had the nerve to say this?
Even Hawk God can't manipulate the WHR or even a Universe for that matter.

'Tis lolable 'tisn't it.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No I don't And I already addreassed Starhawk if you hadn't noticed. And yes he has entered and manipulated it in the comics.
Unless Marvel itself retcons it or states that she isn't the label still stands. Your opinion aside. ONLY COME TO ME WITH THAT or your wasting your time.

All you have is your opinion. Starhawk has never entered nor manipulated the WHR on panel. The White Hot Room is not an alien pocket dimension created by Eon. And even if he had, which he hasn't, it doesn't make him an Omega.

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This is the one-off use of the word "omega" in 1986, "Class Omega Contact" about Rachel. Nimrod is not even referring to the later defined Alpha, Beta, Epsilon system used by Apocalypse, as it refers to other mutants and enhanced beings as "Class One Contacts."
[img=http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9538/11yd0.th.jpg]
The entry for Rachel Summers in The 198 Files, the same type of entry as the ones above for Iceman, Elixir, Quentin Quire, Franklin and Mr M:
[img=http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7885/rachelnooba5.th.jpg]
No mention of the term Omega mutant.
And I'm unaware of anything else, since 2001, that would label her an Omega.

Starhawk Restricted

Originally posted by Mr Master
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Who had the nerve to say this?
Even Hawk God can't manipulate the WHR or even a Universe for that matter.

Perhaps you should actualy read the last few issues of Guardians where he does it. And where he smashes his way out of said room.

And Rachel was indentified in The comics as an Omega, until Marvel officaly reverses that spacificaly, it is still fact. I am not interested in your opinion on the matter.

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

White Room. Pocket dimension.
White Hot Room. Inside the M'Kraan Crystal.
White Room. Place where people like Quasar go when they die.
White Hot Room. Heart of the Phoenix, residence of "The Crown."

Starhawk Restricted

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
White Room.
White Hot Room.
White Room.
White Hot Room.

Have you been hitting the booze?

And Rachel was indentified in The comics as an Omega, until Marvel officaly reverses that spacificaly, it is still fact. I am not interested in your opinion on the matter.

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

Rachel has never been labelled an Omega mutant, the label only being coined during X-Men Forever. Rachel has been labelled a "Class omega contact" as opposed to a "Class one contact" and these were one-off classifications that were applied to both mutants and non-mutant enhanced beings. Once. With no elaboration. In 1986.

Starhawk, the character, has no claim whatsoever so there's nothing to refute. Just like Starhawk the poster. 🙂

Starhawk Restricted

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Rachel has never been labelled an Omega mutant, the label only being coined during X-Men Forever. Rachel has been labelled a "Class omega contact" as opposed to a "Class one contact" and these were one-off classifications that were applied to both mutants and non-mutant enhanced beings. Once. With no elaboration.

Until Marvel Comics says the indentification is not valid it still stands. All your doing is posting your opinion.

SpunkySmurph tu quoqumber

Originally posted by Starhawk
Until Marvel Comics says the indentification is not valid it still stands. All your doing is posting your opinion.

Jesus christ.

Does it say anywhere that "Class Omega Contact" = An Omega Mutant?

ANYWHERE?

Starhawk Restricted

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Jesus christ.
Does it say anywhere that "Class Omega Contact" = An Omega Mutant?
ANYWHERE?

Does it say anywhere that it doesn't?

SpunkySmurph tu quoqumber

Originally posted by Starhawk
Does it say anywhere that it doesn't?

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It doesn't say anywhere that Spider-man ISN'T an omega mutant... does that mean it must be so?

Starhawk Restricted

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
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It doesn't say anywhere that Spider-man ISN'T an omega mutant... does that mean it must be so?

No and thats not an appropriate example as he was never identified previously as one. Your really reaching now.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Starhawk
Perhaps you should actualy read the last few issues of Guardians where he does it. And where he smashes his way out of said room.

So you're sayin StarHawk Warped the White Hot Room?

What are you saying concerning StarHawk and the WHR?

Mr Master Junior Member

Hawk God has never destroyed a Universe.

I can't see his measly creation doing any better.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Starhawk
Perhaps you should actualy read the last few issues of Guardians where he does it. And where he smashes his way out of said room.

I don't think you know the implications behind it,

and as a result you're interpreting it incorrectly.