which mutants are omega level??

Anywho,

I did some research on your claims and it's like I suspected,

you were just a bit confused. Everyone makes mistakes. 🙂

This story took place in Reality 691

First of all StarHawk (with the Quantum Bands)

gets OWNED by the Silver Surfer 691:

StarHawk was trying to use the Quantum Bands to reach the Abrogate

(the Gate that leads to the White Room) ---- NOT the "White HOT Room"

Silver Surfer teleports him there.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No and thats not an appropriate example as he was never identified previously as one. Your really reaching now.

If "Class Omega Contact" was never defined to mean omega mutant, then it's pointless. Especially considering mere enhanced humans were being listed as "contacts" as well, along side actual mutants, and Marvel retconned the term "Omega" in 2001... this means all uses of the term Omega prior to the definition being retconned are pointless, and it's just your opinion that it should be included.

How do you spell Starhawk?

I-N-E-P-T-I-T-U-D-E

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hawk God has never destroyed a Universe.

I can't see his measly creation doing any better.

Again you seem to make the case that someone cannot create something more then itself.

Hank Pym made Ultron who is far superior to him in every way.

Starhawk enter the room, was able to interact with it and then smashed his way out of it.

I don't interpret anything, I go by what happens in the comics themselves, anything else is opinion and assumption.

StarHawk gets OWNED again, this time by the Abrogate (the gateway is apparently Sentient)

StarHawk DIES in the process:

StarHawk is sent to the White Room,

where anyone that has worn the Quantum Bands goes when they die:

None of the past wielders of the Quantum Bands can move from their seats in the White Room:

StarHawk stands up and surprises the rest:

He was able to stand because his power does Not solely derive from the Quantum Bands,

StarHawk's power comes from the Hawk God.

He helps Quasar's soul of Reality 691 stand,

and begins telling Quasar about his history and how he has a child back in Reality:

Quasar, riddled with guilt, decides he doesn't want to know anymore and sits back down:

StarHawk instead cracked a small breach in the Wall of the Room and escaped:

Interestingly enough,

Quasar says,

"I suppose this encounter was inevitable"

(was StarHawk permitted to enter and escape?)

So StarHawk NEVER did anything to the White Hot Room.

And StarHawk NEVER Warped the White Room either.

StarHawk was able to leave through a tiny breach he created by blasting the Wall.

Quasar said,

"I suppose this encounter was inevitable"

I believe this was all premeditated, I'll find out soon how and why.

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Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
No... I'm not reaching. I'm using ludicrous examples to try and match your excuse for logic.

If "Class Omega Contact" was never defined to mean omega mutant, then it's pointless. Especially considering mere enhanced humans were being listed as "contacts" as well, along side actual mutants, and Marvel retconned the term "Omega" in 2001... this means all uses of the term Omega prior to the definition being retconned are pointless, and it's just your opinion that it should be included.

How do you spell Starhawk?

I-N-E-P-T-I-T-U-D-E

No it's what is printed in the comics, your the one going on opinion, Rachel was identified as Omega and Marvel has never said that it is not a valid identification.

Is she in the 198 files? Because they would have her power listed there.

ONCE AGAIN, for those that can actually read english at a decent level, ONLY COME TO ME WITH PROOF FROM THE COMICS THEMSELVES, leave everything else out. Other then that your just wasting your time.

Read the scans,

this will prevent circles friend.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No it's what is printed in the comics, your the one going on opinion, Rachel was identified as Omega and Marvel has never said that it is not a valid identification.

Is she in the 198 files? Because they would have her power listed there.

ONCE AGAIN, for those that can actually read english at a decent level, ONLY COME TO ME WITH PROOF FROM THE COMICS THEMSELVES, leave everything else out. Other then that your just wasting your time.

Your "proof" was debunked... now you're just someone with an incorrect opinion.

Mr Master, I love how you present the comics and then try to spin it to your way of thinking. The White Room and the White Hot Room are one and the same, as it was referred to previously back when jean first entered it as white crown in Classic X-Men. GOD PEOPLE Read comics.

And he does not get OWNED by surfer, your only presenting a few pages out of the storyline and trying to spin it. In any event I'm sure Starhawk will be in the updated Guide to the Marvel Universe thats coming out in segments now and that will settle that argument once and for all.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
You have no proof yourself, so you're not in a position to be making demands.

Your "proof" was debunked... now you're just someone with an incorrect opinion.

It was never "debunked", My end of this is out of the comics themselves and yours is just opinion. Check the 198 files for her Mutant Class.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Mr Master,

I love how you present the comics and then try to spin it to your way of thinking.

😆

Originally posted by Starhawk
The White Room and the White Hot Room are one and the same,

as it was referred to previously back when jean first entered it as white crown in Classic X-Men.

GOD PEOPLE Read comics.

The White Room

"We are ALL FORMER Protectors Here.

Wearing the Quantum Bands,

is the sole Prerequisite to GAIN ENTRY into the WHITE ROOM"

The White HOT Room

ps. It's silly for you to tell X, Spunks and myself,

"GOD PEOPLE Read comics"

Especially now.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No it's what is printed in the comics, your the one going on opinion, Rachel was identified as Omega and Marvel has never said that it is not a valid identification.

Is she in the 198 files? Because they would have her power listed there.

ONCE AGAIN, for those that can actually read english at a decent level, ONLY COME TO ME WITH PROOF FROM THE COMICS THEMSELVES, leave everything else out. Other then that your just wasting your time.

Quentin Quire:
[img=http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9317/xmenthe198files33ck4.th.jpg]
Franklin Richards:
[img=http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2016/franklinhq0.th.jpg]
Mr M:
[img=http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/8562/mrmhf0.th.jpg]
Iceman:
[img=http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1564/icemanga8.th.jpg]
Elixir:
[img=http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2811/xmenthe198files14vv1.th.jpg]

-----

The entry for Rachel Summers in The 198 Files, the same type of entry as the ones above for Iceman, Elixir, Quentin Quire, Franklin and Mr M:
[img=http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7885/rachelnooba5.th.jpg]
No mention of the term Omega mutant.

In Classic X-men Jean Grey enters the White Room in her White Crown costume.

Both White Rooms, both entered when they die.

Mr Master let's take this back to your thread where it belongs.

Originally posted by Starhawk
In Classic X-men Jean Grey enters the White Room in her White Crown costume.

Both White Rooms, both entered when they die.

The "White Room" is not the "White Hot Room." 😐

Ill get it scanned.

Originally posted by Starhawk
In Classic X-men Jean Grey enters the White Room in her White Crown costume.

That's funny,

Jean didn't get her White Crown outfit till New-X-Men #154.

Now you have her wearing it in Classic X-Men?

This is the FIRST Time ever the White Phoenix of the Crown enters the White HOT Room:

In New-Xmen #154

This the FIRST Time ever, Jean is called the White Phoenix of the Crown:

In New X-Men #154

Here's a better shot of her "WHITE Crown" suit:

In New X-Men #154

There actually is an earlier Jean in an all white costume, but it basically looks as though they couldn't be bothered colouring her in. She has no gold on her. She isn't referred to as White Phoenix of the Crown. She doesn't enter any WHR that I saw.

did i not already explain how the white room and the white hot room can exist simultaneously without being the same thing? i swear i did, and i swear i gave heavy-handed, comic-laden examples as to how that principle works. all you've said, again and again, is that they're the same. which they're not. in phoenix: endsong, jean says that EVERYONE is in the white hot room, waiting for themself to arrive. the WHITE ROOM just has former protectors of the universe. that's more than enough proof, but there's still been a load more posted. that "debate" is finished. you have not succeeded in proving your point because your point is factually wrong.

the terms "omega level mutant" and "class omega contact" have never been proven to mean the same thing. various mutant-graphing categories have sprung up over the years. the most permanent, and the gold standard, is the alpha/beta/omega list. not the "one/omega" one-off list. and certainly not the "1/2/3/4/5" categorization from the movies. but, THEY ALL EXIST SIMULTANEOUSLY. THEY SIMPLY DO NOT MEAN THE SAME THING. get the **** over it.

also, your belief that starhawk will be entered in a new marvel handbook [DESPITE THE FACT THAT HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A PAGE ON MARVEL.COM] is not PROOF OF ANYTHING. you are a hypocrite, you've given nothing but false and disproven examples, and your argument simply does not hold up. bow out gracefully and we can be done with this.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There actually is an earlier Jean in an all white costume, but it basically looks as though they couldn't be bothered colouring her in. She has no gold on her. She isn't referred to as White Phoenix of the Crown. She doesn't enter any WHR that I saw.

AS I said I am going to get a scan of it to prove what I am saying. I called up my local comic shop and there is a trade of the Dark Phoenix Saga out there with it in it and they actually talk about the nature of it, so I am buying that issue and scanning the text of the comments as well.

And if you want to discuss this further, move it to the cosmic hierarchy thread where it belongs.

As far as Rachel,

No it's what is printed in the comics, your the one going on opinion, Rachel was identified as Omega and Marvel has never said that it is not a valid identification.

Is she in the 198 files? Because they would have her power listed there.

ONCE AGAIN, for those that can actually read english at a decent level, ONLY COME TO ME WITH PROOF FROM THE COMICS THEMSELVES, leave everything else out. Other then that your just wasting your time.

We are really just going in circles at this point.