which mutants are omega level?? · Comic Books

SpunkySmurph tu quoqumber

Originally posted by Starhawk
We settled the Starhawk issue and it has been moved to another thread.
As for Rachel, we have been over this, she has been identified as an Omega, you must provide proof from marvel that it has been retconed.

1. Nothing was moved, Mr. M said he didn't want it clogging up his thread, and you said you would anyways. Why? Becuase you're a dick. But that doesn't mean it's been moved.

2. She wasn't identified as an Omega Mutant. She was identified as an Omega CONTACT. Until YOU provide a DEFINITION, it doesn't mean a GODDAMN THING because it's just your OPINION.

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

Hypocrisy. After repeatedly asking "for proof she has been retconned" from being labelled an Omega mutant as the term is used now; which is unnecessary - you cannot retcon something that never happened. Besides the 198 Files which refer to the confirmed Omegas as Omegas, but not Rachel as an Omega is proof of a retcon anyway.

You fail to provide proof positive of your supposition that Fabian Nicieza with regard to Jean Grey and Iceman in 2001 with a specific definition, used the word omega, describing only mutants, is referring back to the one-time use of the word 15 years prior by Chris Claremont in the term "Class Omega Contact", which had no definition and was apparently a class system ascribed not only to mutants but to enhanced humans since it compares to "Class One Contact" enhanced humans and mutants.

Starhawk Restricted

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
1. Nothing was moved, Mr. M said he didn't want it clogging up his thread, and you said you would anyways. Why? Becuase you're a dick. But that doesn't mean it's been moved.
2. She wasn't identified as an Omega Mutant. She was identified as an Omega CONTACT. Until YOU provide a DEFINITION, it doesn't mean a GODDAMN THING because it's just your OPINION.

No, you have yet to prove to me that it doesn't identify her as an Omega Mutant, as I said since you know I'm not going to accept anything except what I stated as proof, why do you keep wasting your time trying?

SpunkySmurph tu quoqumber

Originally posted by Starhawk
No, you have yet to prove to me that it doesn't identify her as an Omega Mutant, as I said since you know I'm not going to accept anything except what I stated as proof, why do you keep wasting your time trying?

You need to provide proof positive... that burden isn't on us. YOU have to prove that your claim that omega contact = omega mutant has validity, not the other way around.

And until you do, I simply won't accept anything else as proof.

Starhawk Restricted

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
You need to provide proof positive... that burden isn't on us. YOU have to prove that your claim that omega contact = omega mutant has validity, not the other way around.
And until you do, I simply won't accept anything else as proof.

If you want to live in your fantasy then fine, just don't ask me to accept your opinion as fact.

Soljer Beware my Power

Originally posted by Starhawk
No, you have yet to prove to me that it doesn't identify her as an Omega Mutant, as I said since you know I'm not going to accept anything except what I stated as proof, why do you keep wasting your time trying?

Prove it DOESN'T make her an omega mutant?

You can't prove a negative, Dick.

Which, of course, I mean in reference to 'Richards.' Not the huge phallic objects which must have been violently forced into no less than two of your orifices to make you so damned uptight.

Starhawk Restricted

yes you can prove a negative, such as anything from marvel stating that when she was identified as an Omega it was not in reference to omega class. Thats what I am asking for.

WorldWarHulk Dead

Originally posted by Starhawk
yes you can prove a negative, such as anything from marvel stating that when she was identified as an Omega it was not in reference to omega class. Thats what I am asking for.

According to your logic, Omega-Class Sentinals, were Omega level mutants...

Starhawk Restricted

No, once again you guys use faulty examples. A sentinel is not a mutant in the first place. I've told you what I will accept, now you just have to go find it.

WorldWarHulk Dead

Originally posted by Starhawk
No, once again you guys use faulty examples. A sentinel is not a mutant in the first place. I've told you what I will accept, now you just have to go find it.

And Rachel is not an Omega level mutant.
Stop using faulty examples.

Except, the fact that you have nothing for me to prove wrong, nor do you have any evidence to begin with.
You should be the one trying to prove yourself right, not us (well, not me, since I've done nothing) trying to prove you wrong.

There is also the fact that it has nothing to do with an omega level mutant, since there was no such thing as an omega level mutant back then.

I thought you were a law student, if you tried to use any of this bullshit to try and prove your point, well... you wouldn't have a job.
No wonder you're just a student...

Starhawk Restricted

LOL and we continue to go in circles.

She was identified as an Omega. I've told you what you have to do to convince me and you have yet to do it.

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

And non-mutant enhanced beings in the Hellfire Club and Avengers Mansion were identified as "Class One Contacts" therefore the system is ascribed not only to mutants and can be applied to non-mutant characters. Therefore Omega Sentinels win. 😐

You have nothing, Daveyboy.

Starhawk Restricted

No, the word Omega was attributed to her as a mutant only, show me where a non mutant was identified as an omega contact.

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

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The one-off use of the word "omega" in 1986, "Class Omega Contact" about Rachel. Nimrod is not referring to the later defined Alpha, Beta, Epsilon system used by Apocalypse, nor is he alluding to the same meaning as was written in 2001, as it refers to other mutants and enhanced beings as "Class One Contacts."
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The entry for Rachel Summers in The 198 Files, the same type of entry as the ones above for Iceman, Elixir, Quentin Quire, Franklin and Mr M:
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No mention of the term Omega mutant.
And I'm unaware of anything else, since 2001, that would label her an Omega.

There are no other instances where the term Omega mutant has been applied unambiguously to characters, without qualifiers such as potentially or possibly.

The officially confirmed 7 Omegas are therefore:
Jean Grey
Iceman (Bobby Drake)
Kid Omega (Quentin Quire)
Mister M (Absolom Mercator)
Franklin Richards
Vulcan (Gabriel Summers)
Elixir (Josh Foley)

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SpunkySmurph tu quoqumber

Anyways, Ineptitude clearly has no shred of evidence left, he's really reaching for replies, and ignoring them when he can't, and he knows it too.

Plus I'm sure I have better uses of my time then wasting it forcing him to admit that he's been wrong all along.

Starhawk Restricted

The fact remains until you prove that the reference to Rachel as an Omega is not in reference to her being an Omega mutant by using something published by marvel comics I am not going to believe you. Just accept that and enjoy your lives.

manorastroman Senior Member

Originally posted by Starhawk
The fact remains until you prove that the reference to Rachel as an Omega is not in reference to her being an Omega mutant by using something published by marvel comics I am not going to believe you. Just accept that and enjoy your lives.

i think this is as close as squawk can come to saying he's full of shit, so we might just want to slowly back away before his subnormal brain waves comingle with cyberspace and infiltrate brains through the optic nerve.

Soljer Beware my Power

Originally posted by manorastroman
i think this is as close as squawk can come to saying he's full of shit, so we might just want to slowly back away before his subnormal brain waves comingle with cyberspace and infiltrate brains through the optic nerve.

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It seems to have started already.

The officially confirmed 7 Omegas are therefore:
Jean Grey
Iceman (Bobby Drake)
Kid Omega (Quentin Quire)
Mister M (Absolom Mercator)
Franklin Richards
Vulcan (Gabriel Summers)
Elixir (Josh Foley)
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King_Mungi ...........

....and Earthmover the only confirmed Omega level mystic 😎

Take that X...and yes I know he isn't a mutant, but makes me feel good about myself 😉

Soljer Beware my Power

Originally posted by King_Mungi
....and Earthmover the only confirmed Omega level mystic 😎
Take that X...and yes I know he isn't a mutant, but makes me feel good about myself 😉

Well, a contact isn't necessarily a mutant (as proven).

And a mystic isn't necessarily a mutant(as obvious).

But, by Richards' logic, Earthmover is an omega mutant. 😐.

So, might as well add him to the list.