Chess Tournament: Dr. Doom vs Darkseid, Batman vs Mr. Fantastic

Originally posted by saurabh kanhere
Batman outsmarted Darkseid more than once, and considering doom...doom will fall too. All are cunning but Batman had took out enemies that are like 100 times cunning than him eg. owlman in that "Crisis of earths".

It's not about pure intelligence and knowledge, but also cunning and tactics.
Darkseid is a super genius and an very talented (and through millenia experienced) tactician. He would beat Doom, who has the same traits but less depth in some parts. Batman would beat Reed, Reed is smarter in the Book smart department though Batman is a genius too, but he is the better tactician and would beat Reed. DS is still superior to Batman and should take it. Batman vs Doom would be the most interesting game imo and the one where i couldn't decide who wins.

Doom beats DS
Reed beats Batman

Reed beats Doom

Batman is a much greater strategist/tactician than Mr. Fantastic is by far and also as others have pointed out, much more cunning. Chess isn't a science contest. Batman sweeps him. Darkseid and Doom could go either way.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Doom beats DS
Reed beats Batman

Reed beats Doom

Originally posted by Star428
Batman is a much greater strategist/tactician than Mr. Fantastic is by far and also as others have pointed out, much more cunning. Chess isn't a science contest. Batman sweeps him. Darkseid and Doom could go either way.

Batman beats Reed I agree with this, but Darkseid would easily beat Doom, then easily beat Batman.

Maybe when any of these 3 can play chess against multiversal beings like Darkseid did against the Solomon, then they may actually give DS a slight challenge,

A chess match is not really a good way of measuring strategic skill. In those guys level, the winner is the one who can calc more plays (a computer beat any strategic master in real life).

Doom and Reed have some good feats in calc departament. They beat Batman for sure.

But even if we ignore this, and considerer this a "strategy contest"...well, Reed just beat Steve rogers in this game in Avengers book. He is not weak in this area.

Chess isn't a good measure of strategic skill? LOL. Ooooookkkkaaaaay. If u say so. 🙄

I'm sure that all the strongest grandmasters in the world would disagree with you there. Dude, chess is the king of all strategy games. Batman schools Reed in a tactical/strategic game like chess.

Originally posted by Star428
Chess isn't a good measure of strategic skill? LOL. Ooooookkkkaaaaay. If u say so. 🙄

I'm sure that all the strongest grandmasters in the world would disagree with you there. Dude, chess is the king of all strategy games. Batman schools Reed in a tactical/strategic game like chess.

Yea, and all of then lose to a computer who have 0 strategic skill and is 100% based in calculation... 🙄 How you explain that ?

Reed and Doom possible could calc even better than those computers.

If you put normal people playing, ok, chess is a strategic game. In Reed/Doom/Super computer level ? Not really.

This is chess with a finite moveset. Whoever gets first move advantage wins all players here are smart enough imo to play perfect calculation games.

Originally posted by Star428
Chess isn't a good measure of strategic skill? LOL. Ooooookkkkaaaaay. If u say so. 🙄

I'm sure that all the strongest grandmasters in the world would disagree with you there. Dude, chess is the king of all strategy games. Batman schools Reed in a tactical/strategic game like chess.

You're seriously overestimating the first turn advantage. It's a slight advantage, yes, but it does not equal "auto-win" regardless of how good the white player is. It doesn't matter how good a player is with calculations. If they are not skilled in tactics and strategy then they won't get far in competitive chess. Being good with calculations is very helpful, of course, but tactics/strategy is what chess always comes down to in the end.

Chess more than anything is about being able to plan your moves ahead of time and adjust based on what your opponent is doing, being able to think 50 movies ahead is something Batman excels at over Reed IMO

That being said, Darkseid wins, he's out of everyone elses weight class here.

Richards can think much more than 50 times ahead. He can think 1000 moves ahead or more. He can calc better than a super computer in real life. He calc a wormhole to Nova sometime...a computer cant do that.

Doom is said in one issue to think fast as a super computer.

Chess is about strategy. But not when you face someone who can calculate in this level. That is why, in real life, the best humans players of world cannot beat a machine. Just because the machine calc to much to a human beat.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Richards can think much more than 50 times ahead. He can think 1000 moves ahead or more. He can calc better than a super computer in real life. He calc a wormhole to Nova sometime...a computer cant do that.

Doom is said in one issue to think fast as a super computer.

Chess is about strategy. But not when you face someone who can calculate in this level. That is why, in real life, the best humans players of world cannot beat a machine. Just because the machine calc to much to a human beat.

Doesn't matter how far ahead you can see if your tactical skills are lacking it won't help you against someone who is highly skilled in tactics and can see pretty far ahead themselves. Again, being able to calculate many moves ahead is very helpful but tactical skill plays a much bigger role in chess. Chess is 90% tactics. Any strong tournament-level player will tell you that.

The intelligence levels you are talking about can calculate every possible move from beggining to end regardless. The slight turn 1 advantage wins when every possible move is considered.. Including the fail ones. It doesn't matter if Batman is the better strategist than Reed because every possible strategy in chess is a finite and calculable move and Reed/Doom and probably DS can calculate every potential move from beginning to end considering Reed can calculate a reconstruction of the Universe. In a real life military scenario featuring similarly sized forces with comparable training yet different assets Batman probably takes it. But in a purely mental exercise where you don't have to account for your pieces pissing themselves in terror/freezing up/generally screwing up the plan and all assets and capabilities are quantifiable then Reed and the human calculators are going to win.

Originally posted by wanglord
Except that the best human players in the world HAVE beaten computers, Reed can calculate at ridiculous speeds but when it comes to thinking ahead and anticipating what his opponents are going to do, he's horribly outclassed here.

No dude, they lose in last Human vs Super computer games. Today they dont even do that anymore. Is consensus that computer beats human. Now they made computers tourmanets (computer vs computer).

Originally posted by Star428
Doesn't matter how far ahead you can see if your tactical skills are lacking it won't help you against someone who is highly skilled in tactics and can see pretty far ahead themselves. Again, being able to calculate many moves ahead is very helpful but tactical skill plays a much bigger role in chess. Chess is 90% tactics. Any strong tournament-level player will tell you that.

Again: how they LOSE against computers then ?

Originally posted by Uriel005 In a real life military scenario featuring similarly sized forces with comparable training yet different assets Batman probably takes it. But in a purely mental exercise where you don't have to account for your pieces pissing themselves in terror/freezing up/generally screwing up the plan and all assets and capabilities are quantifiable then Reed and the human calculators are going to win. [/B]

Yes, that would be a better way to measearu "strategic skill".

But still, Reed just beat Steve Rogers in a "stratagic game" in avengers.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
No dude, they lose in last Human vs Super computer games. Today they dont even do that anymore. Is consensus that computer beats human. Now they made computers tourmanets (computer vs computer).