Chess Tournament: Dr. Doom vs Darkseid, Batman vs Mr. Fantastic

Originally posted by awraru
No dude, people have beaten computers before, Kasparov beat Deep Thought in 89, and went 2 and 3 with Deep Blue back in 97, yeah he lost but the fact is he was able to win despite Deep Blue being able to calculate much faster than he could. The only difference Reed isn't a computer, yeah he can calculate moves fast but he's still much easier to anticipate and react to than a computer would be. On top of that being able to calculate and being to anticipate are 2 different things, the latter being how grandmasters have beaten computers.

Computers have improved massively since then.

Not to mention Reed/Doom can out calculate real life supercomputers.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Computers have improved massively since then.

Not to mention Reed/Doom can out calculate real life supercomputers.

Also...when have Reed or Doom for that matter every out calculated a super compouter? No really...legitimate question.

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Originally posted by awraru
And they've still been getting beaten, of course most of the time a computer would beat a grand master but a computer is nigh impossible to anticipate and react accordingly, Doom and Reed are not. Reed's brain can work like a super computer, didn't stop Stark from pwning him across five chess boards.

Also...when have Reed or Doom for that matter every out calculated a super compouter? No really...legitimate question.

Nope, they've been winning. Even to the point that smartphones are getting in on the action:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human%E2%80%93computer_chess_matches#Pocket_Fritz_4_.282009.29

They have out calculated RL computers. As in, they are able to calculate things no real life supercomputer can do, such as time travel etc. My smartphone (which is far more powerful than a HTC Touch) isn't going to be able to crunch the numbers necessary to perform half of what they (Doom/Reed) can do.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nope, they've been winning. Even to the point that smartphones are getting in on the action:

They have out calculated RL computers. As in, they are able to calculate things no real life supercomputer can do, such as time travel etc. My smartphone (which is far more powerful than a HTC Touch) isn't going to be able to crunch the numbers necessary to perform half of what they (Doom/Reed) can do.

Also calculating time travel? Wut? You can't even quantify that.

Originally posted by awraru
Nope, Vadim Milov had beaten Rybka in 2007, I already admitted that Computers would win a majority of the time but once again Reed and Doom aren't super computers so it's moot, and creating something no real life supercomputer can do doesn't mean you can calculate faster, more than likely Doom and Reed and anyone else who creates sci fi wankadoodle tech understand the theory behind time travel or whatever, which has nothing to do with being able to crunch as fast as a computer does, and even if they did, unlike a computer they are suspect to anticipation, as in someone else can predict what they're going to do ahead of time.

Also calculating time travel? Wut? You can't even quantify that.

Lol Milov won handicap matches. In a straight match, he lost. Check the link I posted.

I can't. They can. They have thought up and calculated theories and tech no Real World PC can. It's unquantifiable by real world physics - and yet, they are beyond that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol Milov won handicap matches. In a straight match, he lost. Check the link I posted.

I can't. They can. They have thought up and calculated theories and tech no Real World PC can. It's unquantifiable by real world physics - and yet, they are beyond that.

And again since when does calculating sci fi mean you can calculate faster than a computer? Tons of characters create sci fi wankadoodle tech, doesn't mean they can calculate faster than an actual computer does. By this logic any fictional character that comes up with tech that doesn't exist in the real world would be able to calculate faster than a computer does, there's no correlation to be made there.

Computers in the real world don't come up with theories either, they just do the calculations. Hell Doom and Reed both use computers when they do their work.

Again, coming up with a theory =/= out thinking a computer, literally zero evidence to support this and if that was the case Reed wouldn't have lost to Stark across five chess boards at once.

Anyway I'm done here, agree to disagree then, have a good one

Originally posted by awraru
OK...? Again it's moot since Reed and Doom aren't computers

And again since when does calculating sci fi mean you can calculate faster than a computer? Tons of characters create sci fi wankadoodle tech, doesn't mean they can calculate faster than an actual computer does. By this logic any fictional character that comes up with tech that doesn't exist in the real world would be able to calculate faster than a computer does, there's no correlation to be made there.

Computers in the real world don't come up with theories either, they just do the calculations. Hell Doom and Reed both use computers when they do their work.

Again, coming up with a theory =/= out thinking a computer, literally zero evidence to support this and if that was the case Reed wouldn't have lost to Stark across five chess boards at once.

Doom and Reed don't use real world PCs, do they? They use THEIR own supercomputers - which are far in advance of ours. Certainly far in advance of my smartphone, which can beat chess masters.

You are getting confused. I am comparing REAL WORLD computers to sci fi wankery. YOU are comparing SCI-FI supercomputers to SCI -FI wankery, lol. Totally different.

Plus, they don't just 'come up with a theory', lol. They actually do the math to substantiate it. You can't just go to a computer and say, hey, I have a theory of time-travel, now calculate it for me. You need to teach the PC the maths required to back it up.

Anyway, here's Reed subbing in for Worldmind. Worldmind is, as you may know, one of the most powerful supercomputers in the UNIVERSE, amassing the stored knowledge of an entire scientifically advanced planet over the past million years, with the requisite calculation speeds to access it. And Reed had 'some' trouble replacing it, but was able to.

Now imagine how much better he would be against a normal, real world EARTH based supercomputer. Or even a 2009 HTC Touch smartphone. Which can already beat humans.

Edit: Spoiler alert: he managed to do the calculations.

My computer is smart enough to fix words for me. My phone is too but it massively screws up everything so I turn autocorrect off.

If I put flames on my computer it'd probably be a chess grand wizard

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doom and Reed don't use real world PCs, do they? They use THEIR own supercomputers - which are far in advance of ours. Certainly far in advance of my smartphone, which can beat chess masters.

You are getting confused. I am comparing REAL WORLD computers to sci fi wankery. YOU are comparing SCI-FI supercomputers to SCI -FI wankery, lol. Totally different.

Plus, they don't just 'come up with a theory', lol. They actually do the math to substantiate it. You can't just go to a computer and say, hey, I have a theory of time-travel, now calculate it for me. You need to teach the PC the maths required to back it up.

Anyway, here's Reed subbing in for Worldmind. Worldmind is, as you may know, one of the most powerful supercomputers in the UNIVERSE, amassing the stored knowledge of an entire scientifically advanced planet over the past million years, with the requisite calculation speeds to access it. And Reed had 'some' trouble replacing it, but was able to.

Now imagine how much better he would be against a normal, real world EARTH based supercomputer. Or even a 2009 HTC Touch smartphone. Which can already beat humans.

Edit: Spoiler alert: he managed to do the calculations.

Can reed do advance calculations? quite easily

can reed do millions of calculations in his head every second? No, and there's nothing to support this

we don't know how many calculations the world mind is utilizing per second, it's extremely vague and there's no evidence

Computer software can do millions of different calculations because of algorithms set up, no one can actually program every piece of math into a computer when there are literally infinite calculations that can be programmed into a computer.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ai-learns-play-chess-international-163111631.html#xccaA42

There was great suspicion concerning Deep Blue's win over Garry Kasparov, the strongest chess player of all-time, in the rematch that took place a few years after Kasparov whipped the machine the first time. Basically, in game two, the computer was playing very uncomputer-like human moves which caused a lot of controversy:

http://www.chess.com/blog/clizaw/did-ibm-cheat-kasparov

You can watch the full documentary movie of the rematch (called "Game Over: Kasparov and the Machine"😉 for free on 'You Tube' and see for yourself why people were so suspicious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDe-uHsEMn8

It's quite entertaining. Unfortunately, I bought it on dvd before I realized I could watch it anytime I wanted to on 'You Tube'. 🙁

Reed is smarter than everyone here..:e beats everyone here in chess

Screw Chess. I want to see these guys play something else. Like Catan.

"Darkseid, I'll give you 3 sheep for 1 wood."

"Nobody wants your f*cking sheep, Batman."

Originally posted by Digi
Screw Chess. I want to see these guys play something else. Like Catan.

"Darkseid, I'll give you 3 sheep for 1 wood."

"Nobody wants your f*cking sheep, Batman."

Roll 7, Hahaha Robber on Doom!

Darkseid over Doom

Batman over Reed

Darkseid over Batman