Totaly kickass battle: Apocalypse and all star cast of horse men VS JLA

Originally posted by Beyonder
Superman Vs. Apocalypse - Superman but for a long time

GL Vs. AoA Sinister - Sinister

Flash Wonderwoman Hawkman Martian Manhunter Vs War Hulk - War Hulk.

Try to mind wipe him all you can, but this is War Hulk we're talking about. You just don't easily mind wipe or even mess with someone who's tapped into the powers of two universes.

Aquaman Vs Holocaust - Holocaust. Holocaust. He'll drain Aquaman's life force.
Green Arrow Batman Vs Death Wolverine - Death Wolverine

You're negating teamwork.

Holocaust would lose against Aquaman. He's vulnerable to telepathy (Sage mentally commanded him).

Flash vibrates through War Hulk and he explodes. Or GL creates a gamma sucking machine.

The JLA would win. The only people they have to worry about are War Hulk and Apoc. Everyone else are mere distractions.

I want you to name one time in current DC timeline (no Elseworlds bs) where Flash has used the vibration trick to kill an enemy. Wolverine is not going down from telepathy even before being turned into Death his mind was so chaotic no telepath could touch him.

Besides, saying that because Sage commanded Holocaust, any telepath could is like saying that just because I own a computer, I should be able to hack into government databases. Her brain is a supercomputer, her whole thing is using her powers in the most efficient way possible. If Holocaust was that easy to control, Nate Grey would have just commanded him to shoot himself in the face.

The vibration trick has been used several times. Most recently Felix Faust's reserrected Norse gods.

Wolverine may not go down by telepathy by MM. But a blast of Martian Vision will take care of him.

Sage is not a powerful telepath. She's just beneath Psylocke. I betting that MM can easily control Holocaust.

Originally posted by Draco69
The vibration trick has been used several times. Most recently Felix Faust's reserrected Norse gods.

Originally posted by Draco69
Wolverine may not go down by telepathy by MM. But a blast of Martian Vision will take care of him.

Originally posted by Draco69
Sage is not a powerful telepath. She's just beneath Psylocke. I betting that MM can easily control Holocaust.

who said holocaust is vonerable to telepathy? because they are way off.

he stalemated exodus, and MM is a joke compared to him in telepathic power

Originally posted by Khellendros
Riiight. So he killed supernatural things that were already supposed to be dead. Show me where he killed a human being.

Wolverine sees the green man's eyes glowing, he isn't just going to stand there. And you aren't taking into account his healing factor. Martian vision isn't heat vision, he isn't going to be burning the flesh from his adamantium, he's going to be tossing Wolverine across the room. Wolvie has no problem surviving that.

She doesn't have to be, that's my point. Her skill is using a small amount of power most effectively. If raw power could get the job done, you don't think Nate would have done that LONG ago?

They weren't dead. They were alive. The Flash has changed over the years. His personal life has changed his demeanor. It was quite gruesome he just vibrated through all of them and they exploded. He's not even with the JLA anymore. He joined a Black Ops team called the Elite because he wants to be more hardcore.

MM's Martian Vision can produced the force of about 1000 TNTs. Have you ever read the Martian storyline? A Martian Vision blast nearly burnt WW and Superman to a crisp. It HURT them. It would be just like that time where a Sentinel reduced Wolvie to a skeleton. And even if Wolvie somehow miraculously survived the attack. He would be out of commission for quite a while.

MM is a stronger telepath than even Charles Xavier. He has nearly 5000 years of experience in telepathic combat. He knows countless methods of telepathic combat. Nate was 17 year old kid with zero experience. There's no comparision. Sage mentally controlled Holocaust. MM can do so with no problem.

Originally posted by crazyspinz
who said holocaust is vonerable to telepathy? because they are way off.

he stalemated exodus, and MM is a joke compared to him in telepathic power

Not so. MM once mindwiped 70 different people across the globe with a thought. He was also once in mental connection with every living being in the DC Universe. MM is completely on another level.

Originally posted by Draco69
They weren't dead. They were alive. The Flash has changed over the years. His personal life has changed his demeanor. It was quite gruesome he just vibrated through all of them and they exploded. He's not even with the JLA anymore. He joined a Black Ops team called the Elite because he wants to be more hardcore.

MM's Martian Vision can produced the force of about 1000 TNTs. Have you ever read the Martian storyline? A Martian Vision blast nearly burnt WW and Superman to a crisp. It HURT them. It would be just like that time where a Sentinel reduced Wolvie to a skeleton. And even if Wolvie somehow miraculously survived the attack. He would be out of commission for quite a while.

MM is a stronger telepath than even Charles Xavier. He has nearly 5000 years of experience in telepathic combat. He knows countless methods of telepathic combat. Nate was 17 year old kid with zero experience. There's no comparision. Sage mentally controlled Holocaust. MM can do so with no problem.

Great, so Flash is full of angst now. Like Apocalypse doesn't know how to deal with a speedster? And, I said the Gods were SUPPOSED to be dead, not that they were at the time. You still haven't shown me a time where he's taken a human life by vibrating through them.

The Starnet database website, which you yourself have used as a source for stats in yoru arguments, lists Martian vision as having the force of 50-100 lbs of TNT. It would have been more impressive if you had just said he burnt Superman to a crisp. Saying he "almost" burnt Wonder Woman to a crisp means he must have singed her, since she doesn't have the kind of accelerated healing Supes has, does she?

Nate was a 17 year old kid whose power levels read at somewhere ABOVE Phoenix's on Moira Mctaggert's instruments. The kid could have controlled Holocaust if it just took brute mental strength.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Great, so Flash is full of angst now. Like Apocalypse doesn't know how to deal with a speedster? And, I said the Gods were SUPPOSED to be dead, not that they were at the time. You still haven't shown me a time where he's taken a human life by vibrating through them.

The Starnet database website, which you yourself have used as a source for stats in yoru arguments, lists Martian vision as having the force of 50-100 lbs of TNT. It would have been more impressive if you had just said he burnt Superman to a crisp. Saying he "almost" burnt Wonder Woman to a crisp means he must have singed her, since she doesn't have the kind of accelerated healing Supes has, does she?

Nate was a 17 year old kid whose power levels read at somewhere ABOVE Phoenix's on Moira Mctaggert's instruments. The kid could have controlled Holocaust if it just took brute mental strength.

You obviously haven't read the story. They were dead. But they were alive and kicking. They weren't zombies. They were resurrected by Felix Faust to take over the world. Seeing no other option, Flash vibrated through them even though Superman protested.

Read the first arc of the JLA series. Tronix's Martian Vision burned WW severely. A Martian Blast by Hyperix managed to burn most of Superman's costume off. His forcefield saved him. Also, The Martians executed several villains with their Martian Vision blasts. There was nothing left but a skeleton and ashes.

Nate was a kid with tremendous power. And no idea how to use them. MM has the power and the know-how to control Holocaust.

Originally posted by Draco69
You obviously haven't read the story. They were dead. But they were alive and kicking. They weren't zombies. They were resurrected by Felix Faust to take over the world. Seeing no other option, Flash vibrated through them even though Superman protested.

Read the first arc of the JLA series. Tronix's Martian Vision burned WW severely. A Martian Blast by Hyperix managed to burn most of Superman's costume off. His forcefield saved him. Also, The Martians executed several villains with their Martian Vision blasts. There was nothing left but a skeleton and ashes.

Nate was a kid with tremendous power. And no idea how to use them. MM has the power and the know-how to control Holocaust.

You're naming other Martians. Just because Jon is Martian doesn't mean his vision is as strong as theirs.

Nate did too know how to use them, he wasn't an untrained lout. And he had more power than MM and Professor X combined.

Originally posted by Khellendros
No, I haven't read the story, but I am taking your word for all this. My point is that they weren't human, weren't SUPPOSED to be alive anymore (even though they were), and were just pawns. Tell me, did he vibrate through Felix and kill him too??

You're naming other Martians. Just because Jon is Martian doesn't mean his vision is as strong as theirs.

Nate did too know how to use them, he wasn't an untrained lout. And he had more power than MM and Professor X combined.

He vibrated through his hand. It exploded with the amulet required to summon more gods.

Green Martians are stronger than White Martians (i.e. Burning Storyline) That's why the White Martians lost the war.

Power doesn't equal victory. If a twenty one year old Sage with a few years of telepathic training can mentally command Holocaust. Than so can MM. Not to mention that Sage's telepathy was WEAKENED due to her previous battle with Maddie Pryor.

Originally posted by Draco69
He vibrated through his hand. It exploded with the amulet required to summon more gods.

Originally posted by Draco69
Green Martians are stronger than White Martians (i.e. Burning Storyline) That's why the White Martians lost the war.

Originally posted by Draco69
Power doesn't equal victory.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Well there you go. He just vibrated through his hand. And only then because it was holding a very dangerous artifact.

Okay. That doesn't mean Jon's vision isn't somehow defective. Has HE ever burnt Wonder Woman or blasted Superman into nudity?

EXACTLY. Thank you for agreeing with me. Sage controlled Holocaust through skill, not power.

The Flash murdered 6 Norse Gods. One of them disguised herself as his wife. He vibrated through her anyway.

Nudity? No. Unconsciousness? Yes.

And MM has milleniums of skill.

Man, it only takes 100 pounds of TNT to knock Superman out these days?? Jeez, that's one hell of a power drop. Anyways. Wolverine gets knocked unconscious, heals up, and is back in the fight in minutes.

Draco69

You're negating teamwork.

Holocaust would lose against Aquaman. He's vulnerable to telepathy (Sage mentally commanded him).

Umm...Exodus and Nate. Nate was created by Sinister to kill Apocalypse.

Flash vibrates through War Hulk and he explodes. Or GL creates a gamma sucking machine.

???Flash vibrating through Norse Gods doesn't mean much. So he did it to some gods? Hulk talks punishments from one of the Norse's top god, Thor. And unlike DC, Marvel's Norse gods are more powerful than most other gods, especially Thor. Thor ain't just a Norse god either; he's the son of a skyfather and elder god. Hulk repeated takes poundings from Thor and gives as much as he gets. DC average Norse gods can't compare to the durability of one of Marvel's top god/power house character. And we all know Hulk's durability is on Thor's level and can even exceed it.

War Hulk is beyond normal Hulk. Flash isn't going to vibrate through War Hulk. I mean do you think he can vibrate through Superman? Seriously, what about Thor? Hulk? 'cause Hulk is as powerful as either of these guys. All Flash is going to do is run into a brick wall, that's being powered by two universes.

The JLA would win. The only people they have to worry about are War Hulk and Apoc. Everyone else are mere distractions.

So who's attack Holocaust with telepathy? Aquaman or MM? Or is MM going to multitask and try to take out Death Wolverine and Holocaust at once? So MM can control Holocaust, Holocaust can also fry MM's ass.

Also, STARNET says Flash can't vibrate through certain materials and forecefields. This means Wolverine's adamantium skeleton and Holocaust's unbreakable crystal armor are safe. And you KNOW Apocalypse and Sinister have access to forcefields. And, if not, both have control over their body's composition, which means they could become superdense, also preventing Flash from passing through them. And as for Hulk, well, he's giving off the energies of two different realities along witha f*ckton of gamma radiation. Good look vibrating through that mess and surviving. This, of course, assumes Flash would even try pulling that trick off, and he WOULDN'T, because he isn't a murderer.

EDIT: Ya know, crazy, the teams ARE a bit uneven. You should give Apocalypse' team Stryfe.

THere is nobody on that marvel list that the JLA couldnt beat. THey often fight against gods, so they will win this

Originally posted by eleveninches
THere is nobody on that marvel list that the JLA couldnt beat. THey often fight against gods, so they will win this

Originally posted by Beyonder
Superman Vs. Apocalypse - Superman but for a long time

Originally posted by Beyonder
GL Vs. AoA Sinister - Sinister

Originally posted by Beyonder
Flash Wonderwoman Hawkman Martian Manhunter Vs War Hulk - War Hulk.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Green Arrow Batman Vs Death Wolverine - Death Wolverine

War Hulk:
Superman will stay fist to fist with War Hulk helped by Wonder Woman, seeing Diana in danger, Supes will go all out blasting him with heat vision and hitting at sonic speeds, during that time

Sinister:
Flash would be knocking down Sinister with some good placed sonic speed physical attacks and then help Supes using the IMP, Infinity Mass Punch on WH knocking him unconscious

Death:
Meanwhile he's dealing with WH, Supes will see Death wiping out Batman and Green Arrow, and decide to blast at 5000 Farhenheit degrees of Heat Vision the poor Logan, turning him into ashes.
Martian Manhunter's Force Vision destroy things at impatc, and ignite inflammable objects, it means Logan can be burned, or he can be knocked unconscious from Aquaman or MM, if they are busy, Kyle Rainer will blast and then stomp Death with a giant robot 100 feet talls and then cut Sinister's body in pieces and put them into force fields to avoid him to regenerate

Holocaust:
Martian Manhunter and Aquaman gives troubles with their telepathy to a Millenia Giant, i mean a MILLENIA GIANT.Holocaust will become a scared cat.If they fight him Phiscally, MM can reach for few mins Supes league, Aquaman has lifted San Francisco, do i need to say more?