Darth Sidious vs. Exar Kun

Originally posted by Kun-ni Habeo
never
kun is ONE of the greatest SITH lords ever

and sidious isnt? sidious is THE greatest sith of all time, why do u think they made movies about him?? and not exar kunT

i know the statement made no sense whatsoever, i was just kidding, but seriously sidious wuld own, kunT is a poon.

they made movies because GL first made up sids and later kun and revan,malak,naga sadow
they are all members of EU-expanded universe
first they said here is sids his apprentice is vader there is luke.....
then there was maul,anakin.....qqui gon..gen. grievious..then they said here is revan he is the greatest sith of his time,kun in his,naga sadow in his time.
you get the picture???????????????
PS:
naga sadow would own palpy
revan too
kunT too

OK, here is what I have against the prophecy. Ever since the prophecy theory came out, people have started worshipping it like christians worshipping god and tend to just throw away all the accomplishments of other force users as if it's nothing. This is pure ignorance and closed-mindedness. Just because the prophecy had to do with Sidious and Anakin, it doesn't make them immortal. You have to see Exar Kun's power as well. He slaughtered many Jedi Masters and it took almost all the Jedi Knights of the old republic to kill him. Lucas may have introduced this prophecy in the saga, but nowhere did he say "Anakin and Sidious have to do with the prophecy, therefore they are god and will own the whole world." That's just what I'm trying to point out. You guys should be more open-minded and can't just give Sidious or Vader victories because of the prophecy without regarding the opponent's powers aswell.

wise, jedimaster2000 is.

Very wise. The prophecy is for those who are too afraid to think for themselves and to risk using information to make educated decisions. What good is your opinion, I ask, if it's uneducated but still yours?

ye exacly as jedimaster said, u cant just hang up victories on some1 cuz they had some prohpecy about them.
in prequel, there was nothin indicatin vader or sidious as invincible, so i refuse to believe, that they are all so great, only cuz the have some prohpecy on their side.

PROHPECY = BULLSHIT

obi didnt have any prophecies about he being the chosen one, but he still owned anakin.

what it comes down to really is the films over EU. In this case, Palpy wins because he was created by Lucas himself.
Plus he was the last of the Sith (not counting Darth Lumiya)

So, by your reasoning, if Exar Kun was made by Lucas himself, he would win? And also, if Exar Kun was the last of the Sith he would win?

Non Sequitor.

Sidious has more legitimacy

Three things...

One, this is Eu related thread. Hence why we have Kyle Katarn, Revan, and a whole host of other non-movie characters listed here. If you put the movies on a pedastal and make all else unequal, you defeat the purpose of these threads and are basically wasting time.

Two, legitimacy is a big word to use. The movies themselves are a story set in a galaxy, far far away. This story revolves around Anakin Skywalker, from apprenticeship until death. It's a story about good versus evil. It's not the Bible of SW galaxy. If GL's word is law in SW, then all the work and imagination that has been contributed by other people (From authors to fan suggestions to costume designers) has been for nothing. Wasted effort. And also if GL's word is law, it could change at any time. He could wake up tomorrow and go "You know, Ki Adi Mundi is god. I think I'll just say it and watch the debates fly..." And then it's law. It has legitimacy. What a sad state of affairs that is.

Third, I have yet to see a supporter of the prophecy say something convincing enough to make me give props to Sidious and Anakin without refering to the prophecy. For those of us who are older and watched the sequels in theatre, these prequel notions of midi-chlorians and prophecies are disturbing. And while we all agreed that Vader was a badass, he was not god and neither was the emperor.

hmm, Sidious succeeded where every other Sith failed (barring possibly Darth Bane since there is evidence from the EIII novel that he ruled the galaxy at one point). He wiped out the jedi barring two and conquered the galaxy.

Where did all the other sith lords fail though? If you will, I'd love specifics. Helps get points across to one another.

Revan's machinations obliterated all but four Jedi and converted many more. This is in a time of more militant Republic, more warminded Jedi, and quite simply MORE Jedi. Sidious simply had Anakin murder those who weren't killed at Geonosis or in the Clone Wars.

As for conquering the galaxy, that is a misleading statement. There are thousands of galaxies in the SW universe. Sidious, for all his cunning, controlled the Republic and reshaped it. He did not conquer all of the galaxies out there. He also did not even conquer those galaxies in the Republic. He simply assumed power and then instated martial law, creating a military-minded empire. That's like saying Hitler conquered Europe by becoming chancellor of Germany. And of course, the idea that he could conquer most of the known universe or even the Republic in thirty years or so is quite an assumption. He was up to his ass in rebellion ten years before ANH.

galaxies? star wars takes place in one specific galaxy

no actually, its is the star wars universe. In that universe are thousands of galaxys, for instance, the Courscant galaxy, the Corellia galaxy, the Unknown regions, I could go on for a long time. For instance, we all live in the same universe (well except some kids in my math class, but whatever), but in this universe is the Milky Way galaxy, the Andromedra galaxy etc.

and while you say Sidious was all good, might I remind you that he lived in a mostly peaceful time, the republic had not seen war for a 1000 years (Sio Bibble), the jedi were keepers of the peace, not soldiers (Mace Windu) etc. To put it simply, the republic during his time was weak.
During the time of Exar Kun, the republic was militarily like the empire, thousands of ships, millions of soldiers, jedi trained for war. And he still nearly crushed it, killing many jedi.
In palps time, probably 70% of the jedi order was killed in the clone wars (am I the only one who finds this pathetic, 7000 jedi being killed by droids), probably another 100 jedi being killed by Asajj and Grevious and Dooku. So by the time Sid takes power, only a handful of jedi remain and most of those are killed by Boba Fett or Vader, Sid kills what, say 8 if hes lucky. To put it simply, hes not as good as everyone thinks, look at some of the ancients if you want to see real power.

Sio Bibble. That sounds familiar. Gah... cursed olg age playing with my mind.

But yes, that is pathetic. Droids killing Jedi. What a joke.

it's one galaxy!!! where did you get his multiple galaxy crap?

Watch AOTC. They say "Thousands of galaxies are succeeding and more are joining the Seperatist ranks". It says it right there. Galaxies.

Originally posted by Kun-ni Habeo
they made movies because GL first made up sids and later kun and revan,malak,naga sadow
they are all members of EU-expanded universe
first they said here is sids his apprentice is vader there is luke.....
then there was maul,anakin.....qqui gon..gen. grievious..then they said here is revan he is the greatest sith of his time,kun in his,naga sadow in his time.
you get the picture???????????????
PS:
naga sadow would own palpy
revan too
kunT too

ok thats why i said the statement was sarcastic......you should read the wHoLe post, before you criticize it.