Originally posted by JWangSDC
I don't care how many times doomsday evolves... This is just beyond him. He's not beating King thor. That' slike saying if Hulk gets angry enough, he is stronger than Galactus.
.................shhhhhhhh.............. damn you've gone and said it now........ give it a while and you'll have all the hulk fans coming in and talking about "infinite strength" or something
stupid
This is crazy. There is no way for King Thor to win. Thor may have the odin power and runes but doomsday is immune to all forms of energy. He was killed thousands of years ago by a being of pure energy. This is why the Justice League and Superman couldn't even scratch him with energy power. Magic is defined in comics as electromagnetic energy of a certain range of wavelength. This energy can be harnessed thru objects. Also one can summon a supernatural being to manipulate this energy (spell casting). Writers were at fault for letting Doomsday fall to Imperiex. For it was inconsistent to the fact D.C. stated about him being immune to all forms of energy.
Thor may have tremendous destructive abilities but doomsday is far too durable. Also doomsday is officially fast as the flash. Thor's weakness is in his moving speed (less than sound speed) and his durability. He is only listed a 7 in speed because of his dimensional travel. Thor also has always been 1 level lower than Hulk in durability. His flesh is about several times denser than a human's. Imagine Thor getting hit by a 600lb. moving at 90 percent the speed of light. This is more than a quadrillon times the momentum of a rifle's bullet. Doomsday will literarly punch a gapping hole in the asgardian king. Doomsday will pummel Thor before thor can blink. Doomsday will kill King Thor in a matter of seconds (as he nearly did with many other seemingly invincible beings < darkseid, mongul, etc.>😉.
note: Thor can only open portals. He can not teleport/blink someone at will. For this will make him invincible.
Originally posted by h1a8
This is crazy. There is no way for King Thor to win. Thor may have the odin power and runes but doomsday is immune to all forms of energy. He was killed thousands of years ago by a being of pure energy. This is why the Justice League and Superman couldn't even scratch him with energy power. Magic is defined in comics as electromagnetic energy of a certain range of wavelength. This energy can be harnessed thru objects. Also one can summon a supernatural being to manipulate this energy (spell casting). Writers were at fault for letting Doomsday fall to Imperiex. For it was inconsistent to the fact D.C. stated about him being immune to all forms of energy.Thor may have tremendous destructive abilities but doomsday is far too durable. Also doomsday is officially fast as the flash. Thor's weakness is in his moving speed (less than sound speed) and his durability. He is only listed a 7 in speed because of his dimensional travel. Thor also has always been 1 level lower than Hulk in durability. His flesh is about several times denser than a human's. Imagine Thor getting hit by a 600lb. moving at 90 percent the speed of light. This is more than a quadrillon times the momentum of a rifle's bullet. Doomsday will literarly punch a gapping hole in the asgardian king. Doomsday will pummel Thor before thor can blink. Doomsday will kill King Thor in a matter of seconds (as he nearly did with many other seemingly invincible beings < darkseid, mongul, etc.>😉.
note: Thor can only open portals. He can not teleport/blink someone at will. For this will make him invincible.
Originally posted by K3VIL
You obviously do not know who are you talking of.In MU it was never stated that magic energy is electromagnetic energy of a certain wavelenght.
You talk about King Thor like he's some kind of freak viking with a big hammer and some spells to pull out from a hat a couple of rabbits.
Thor's flesh and bone, are extremely durable.Compared to the other Asgardians except for Odin or his son Magni, he's hella tough.
He has resisted to everything, from a Nuclear Strike, to a full force energy blast of Ultron, oh, I was forgetting, an Ultron overpowered by the magic of Scarlet Witch, it means, hundred times stronger than ever.
He has defeated Those Who Sit Above In Shadow, The Gods Of The Gods, just to make you understand how powerful they were.Thor has fought against Silver Surfer, Thanos, Celestials, Destroyer, Kurse, Mangog, Jormungand a.ka.a The Midgard Serpent, The Dark Gods, The Presenceand has been hitted with various forms of energy, from the cosmic power, to nuclear energy, microwaves, heat blasts of outstanding levels like those of the Radioactive Man, and he's still around saving Asgard and the Earth with the Avengers or with his Asgardian brothers, or other of his allies or alone.
Doomsday has never fought someone who has mastered the use of OdinForce, that can be compared to the Cosmic Power of Silver Surfer on a higher level, and has mastered the use of magic Asgardian Runes.
The attacks and defenses that Thor can use against Doomsday are so much it would take abou 20/30 issues to show them all.
You say DD is nearly fast as Flash?Prove it.The writers can simply have "forgot" Flash is faster than DD just to let him fighting Supes and other heroes succesfully, it happens, sometimes, that they create crap situations to explain the victory of a villain over a hero/heroes.
You say that Thor is slow.With his hammer he has deflected various kinds of attacks, from light, to lasers, microwaves, etc.And all those attacks travel really fast, and it took superhuman reflexes to deflect them.Thor's speed exceed the speed of sound, it's far above it.
He's believed to be a slow brick guy cause he's not the kind of hero that acts always at superspeed.Not to forget that thanks to the OdinForce, he can boost his physical abilities to a level that can make DD looking like a sissy.
You made some very good points. But there are some things you need to know. First, Thor runs at max. 200 mph. His flight speed is a little above orbital speed. He is only listed a seven because of extadimensional travel. These are his official power listings from Marvel. The definition on magic comes from D.C. and not Marvel. Thor can only boost some of his abilities (like strength) to a moderate degree (not infinite for this would make him greater than all in the universe). He was killed with the Godforce.
Comic book writers are highly inconsistent. Many writers go against or exaggerate character's powers. That is why I use their exact power discriptions and not what happened in the comics. Thor has blocked bullets and beams but has gotten hit many many times by slower moving beings. Also, Thor is always listed as one level below Hulk in durability. Hulk's skin is a consistent 8-10 times that of Kevlar. Thus Thor's must be about 5-7 times Kevlar. So why can Thor withstand things Hulk can't? this is inconsistent! Thor should have a level equal or greater than that of Hulk's. He skin is also only several times denser than a human's. Technically, Thor is to barely bulletproof. Also. he isn't supposed to deflect laser beams (since that would require him to move at or near the speed of light himself or have use of the JEDI Force).
Trust me I tell you the truth. Being able to move 200mph doesn't justify blocking light beams. And having a lower durability than Hulk doesn't justify withstanding Nuclear strikes and Ultron blasts. Many of these stories (not all) were written in a time when writers didn't enough take science or consistency into consideration. This is why I only use exact power descriptions. And yes Doomsday does move as fast as or faster than Flash. Research this is you like. One instance Doomsday caught and knocked Flash while Flash was running at full speed. I think this happened in the Doomsday Wars (I'm not quite sure). Doomsday is immune to all, I repeat, all energy projection (This includes magic). He can withstand an astronomical amount of physical force. He is beyond death. He can lift over 100,000 tons and can penetrate nearly any sustance in the universe. Not even Superman, who can bench press 250,000 tons, was able to deeply prenetrate his skin. He withstood the omega effect and nearly killed Darkseid in seconds (a feat that was seemed impossible for all of comic book history). He caught the Flash in running. If Thor manage to get hit by slower moving beings I know Doomsday would easily hit him. And according to exact power descriptions, Thor would suffer a severe gapping hole in his body from a hit from doomsday. Thor is not more durable than superman and doomsday penetrated superman with ease (in some cases all the way through). Thus according to exact power descriptions Thor cannot win. He loses in seconds.
Originally posted by h1a8
You made some very good points. But there are some things you need to know. First, Thor runs at max. 200 mph. His flight speed is a little above orbital speed. He is only listed a seven because of extadimensional travel. These are his official power listings from Marvel. The definition on magic comes from D.C. and not Marvel. Thor can only boost some of his abilities (like strength) to a moderate degree (not infinite for this would make him greater than all in the universe). He was killed with the Godforce.Comic book writers are highly inconsistent. Many writers go against or exaggerate character's powers. That is why I use their exact power discriptions and not what happened in the comics. Thor has blocked bullets and beams but has gotten hit many many times by slower moving beings. Also, Thor is always listed as one level below Hulk in durability. Hulk's skin is a consistent 8-10 times that of Kevlar. Thus Thor's must be about 5-7 times Kevlar. So why can Thor withstand things Hulk can't? this is inconsistent! Thor should have a level equal or greater than that of Hulk's. He skin is also only several times denser than a human's. Technically, Thor is to barely bulletproof. Also. he isn't supposed to deflect laser beams (since that would require him to move at or near the speed of light himself or have use of the JEDI Force).
Trust me I tell you the truth. Being able to move 200mph doesn't justify blocking light beams. And having a lower durability than Hulk doesn't justify withstanding Nuclear strikes and Ultron blasts. Many of these stories (not all) were written in a time when writers didn't enough take science or consistency into consideration. This is why I only use exact power descriptions. And yes Doomsday does move as fast as or faster than Flash. Research this is you like. One instance Doomsday caught and knocked Flash while Flash was running at full speed. I think this happened in the Doomsday Wars (I'm not quite sure). Doomsday is immune to all, I repeat, all energy projection (This includes magic). He can withstand an astronomical amount of physical force. He is beyond death. He can lift over 100,000 tons and can penetrate nearly any sustance in the universe. Not even Superman, who can bench press 250,000 tons, was able to deeply prenetrate his skin. He withstood the omega effect and nearly killed Darkseid in seconds (a feat that was seemed impossible for all of comic book history). He caught the Flash in running. If Thor manage to get hit by slower moving beings I know Doomsday would easily hit him. And according to exact power descriptions, Thor would suffer a severe gapping hole in his body from a hit from doomsday. Thor is not more durable than superman and doomsday penetrated superman with ease (in some cases all the way through). Thus according to exact power descriptions Thor cannot win. He loses in seconds.
King Thor will b***h slap doomsday all day. King Thor is more durable than superman, son of Odin skyfather and Gaea earth goddess his powers and abilities are beyond anybody of his race, King thor doesn't hold back like his old self. One good hit from the hammer at full force will kill doomsday. King Thor has fought mangog, destroyer, hulk, kurse, ulik etc and know fighting doomsday please thor takes him down with out breaking a swet.
Originally posted by K3VIL
You're registered from few days, and every answer you put in the topics of this forum sounds me like a bunch of....uhhhh....how can I explain....crap writing.
Kevlar-like skin?Science?
We are talking about comic characters, here science works in a different way it's not reality.You're assuming things that comes out of your mind.
Actually Superman has powned real bad Doomsday in their last encounters.Doomsday has cutted Supes skin and stabbed him with his claws, so what?
Desak, the God Slayer, is what Doomsday is to Thor, has hitted Thor with the eye blast of the Asgardian Destroyer, Thor survived it, Thor was stabbed or hurted bad many times, but he can survive it, he's the son of Odin and Gaea, two beings that create another so powerful that infact can withstand with great assaults.Superman possess a body denser than that of humans plus his skin-like force field.
Thor possess a denser body that grants him invulnerability.
Different powers, but same kind of resistance.Slow doesn't mean less stronger.Doomsday is faster than the Wrecker or Kurse, but it doesn't mean Thor's durability and resistance to injuries are at a poor level.
All the examples I put up where good examples, I can threw in Thor's fight with 8th Day Juggernaut, he wasn't able to stop him, he get hitted by him, but he survived.And 8th Day Jug is faster, tougher and stronger than Classical Juggernaut.
Have you ever seen kevlar?I've got a bulletproof vest, and I can tell you that a skin 7times denser than kevlar against a nuclear strike can't survive, not even 10times.
Hulk and Thor's body are far above kevlar.You're examples are just DUMB.
My friend I do not make these things up. Marvel actually listed Thor's durability a 5 out of 7 many times with Hulk's being a 6 out of 7 (sometimes a 7). They also wrote that Hulk's skin is about 8-10 as tough as kevlar. Why did they write this? 1-3 times kevlar tough can stop most bullets so imagine what 8-10 times can do. This makes sense. According to Marvel Hulk cannot survive a near hit from a nuclear strike. Why can Thor? Why list Thor as a 5 in durability if he can withstand the stuff you said. Writers exagerate characters abilities to sell comics (they want to make money). To have a sound and decent argument there must be some consistency of the facts or rules. The older comics are the last place to find this (That is why many of the feats you've named are old). This best place of consistency is in marvel encyclopedias, cards, and rpgs. They hardly ever change! Thus my examples are sound because they are true (They come from Marvel themselves). One should only use feats of history to support their argument if it is consistent with the official power descriptions. Otherwise, it is all nonsense (contradictory).