Power Levels of Dc And Marvel

So called Immortal beings such as the eternal, all earths pantheons and the titans immortal as they are if something powerful enough to disintegrate or disperse their molecules hit them, they aint coming bk death holds power over them. Same with galactus. Death is always appearing to him asking if he's ready to face the inevitable and give into her. Because galactus can die and has done. He still would be dead if it wasnt for franklin. But anyway, Death holds no power over phoenix whatsoever. As i said before she physically dies only to be reborn again from a phoenix egg into another body. Death is nothing to the force

I thought Death, Eternity, and Galactus were equals, but since Galactus is the balance between Death and Eternity (Life) he has to absorb life energy (Eternity) to counter Death (the 'hunger'😉 within himself, the other two are simply constants. That was explained in a comic book where there was a gathering of cosmic beings and everyone from LT to Eon the Tree of Life was there and they discussed Galactus creating the Surfer and Surfer's purpose, etc. [Also it was eluded to that Surfer had a divine purpose eventually but the stroyline hasn't gotten to that point yet.]

Of equal importance to the balance and existence of the universe, not equal in terms of power

Eternity is very much the chief of the abstract entities with the exception of the living tribunal

Wow, that Marvel list sucks REALLY badly. Hopefully someone'll take a crack at fixing it. I'm too lazy to do it myself...

What I dont understand is that on the DC list you have 5th dimensional imps around number 15 or whatever and Superman Prime at number 85... By the 853rd century the Superman Dynasty had married into the 5th dimensional myslplic family and had inherited all of their powers so shouldnt Superman Prime be higher than them?

TOAA
LT
Eternity/Infinity
Phoenix Force
Death
True Beyonders
Celestials
Galactus/Full Power Franklin
Master Order/Lord Chaos
Korvac/Sentry

it gets tricky right about there. i'm not sure how to rank say dormammu versus say odin, and hyperstorm is potentially as powerful as sentry or so.

eh.

wheres Count Nefaria?..surely if the Hulks on here then he should be also

DC=Overpowered
Marvel=Overrated

I would have put the oans slightly higher, and would have put MadGod 3600 lower. You put parallax at about 20, and the guardians near the bottom of the list, but the guardians defeated parallax.

Ganthet has claimed that the guardians are more powerful than even the spectre.

I would have put the 835th centuary JLA below the old gods and the guardians/zamorans/controllers.

What about the star-gods from the "sandman:endless nights" graphic novel. Sto-Oa, Rao, Sol etc...

For Krona, did you mean the one from JLA/avengers or the ex-guardian?
The entropy one (the oan) is probably just slightly less powerful than the JLA/Avengers crossover one.

I definately woudln't have put sinestro that high. He is no way more powerful than the endless, hyperman or the monitor/anti-monitor. He should be not much more powerful than superman prime.

Parallax has been retconned, so he shouldnt be that powerful, but even before the retcon, he was still not more powerful than the monitor/anti-monitor or hyperman. Neither would Ion have been more powerful than them. So Parallax and Ion should be knocked down to about 50.

Spectre is not that powerful. He is way overrated considering th others on the list. He might have got his power from god, but god is dead, and there are many more powerful than him.

Is Yahweh the same as the prescence? Is Yahweh the one who was killed at the end of preacher?

What is the difference between the prescence, the source and Yahweh. Are the voice, word, source and prescence simply different aspects of Yahweh?

I would have seperated the endless at least into the most powerful ones created first (destiny, death, destruction, dream), from the less powerful ones created later (despair, desire, delight/delerium).

I also would have included (in no particular order):
1.) Saint of Killers (replacement of the angel of death. Killed God).
2.) Ellaine Belloc (daughter of michael. she is the new demiurge and created her own universe.)
3.) Genesis (before or after merging with jesse custer?).
4.) Linear Men (waverider, hunter)
5.) Christopher Rudd (new ruler of Hell)
6.) CHild of Basanos and Jill Presto.
7.) Lilith. (now in command of all of the fallen angels and her own demon offspring)

Yes, Sinestro is (WAS) that high. Read again and you will see that this list was compiled in 2004 after quite a bit of research across several messageboards.

Parallax and Ion are reality warpers. They are just below Mxy, Batmite, and other 5th Dimensional beings who also are able to alter reality at a whim. They WERE nowhere near 50.

Yes, Spectre was "that powerful."

Will answer your Source and Presence queries later.

I know the source is seperated from the universe by the source wall (where the millennium giants are bonded to).

Parallax retconned is actually just a yellow cosmic parasite, and has no reality warping powers in his true innate form. He only got that power when he infested hal jordan and absorbed the oan's power.
In his innate parasite form, he is only capable of feeding from the fear of other life forms (he is composed of living fear).

Elaine has all of the power of her father, Michael.

Genesis had power equal to that of God. He had the power of the word of god.

Christopher Rudd is a dead human, so has no innate super powers, but is the sole ruler of hell, so he is pretty powerful politically.

Lilith now has total control over the fallen angelic host and her own demonic offspring.

Oblivion is the imaginary construct that arose from Kyle's subconcious before he became ion. He apparrently existed before the universe, and is totally omnipotent.

SOK is the replacement of the angel of death (NOT replacement of death of the endless, as she IS death. The endless are abstracts). He killed god, when god was attempting to return tho the DCU.

THe child of the Basanos and of Jill Presto apparently has some wierd reality and probability altering abilities, and was sought after by Sandaphalon, Lucifer, the Jin-En-Mok and others.

BTW, spectre should be ranked below michael and lucifer, as Michael has often kicked spectre's butt.

Anti-monitor and monitor should be ranked higher, as not even spectre (with all the sorcerous power of DC pre-crisis) could stop anti-monitor.

Also, should it include:
Harbringer (claims to have power equal to that of monitor)
Pariah (freed monitor and anti-monitor. Unequalled human genius, rivalled only by the guardians)
Alexander Luthor (composed of both anti-matter AND positive matter)

Originally posted by kgkg
from what i heard there was a Crossover with Phoenix vs A Hungry Galactus , and Galatus left because she was equal to his power.

Yes, a cocky Phoenix defeated a hungry Galactus [who might I add was not on kill mode as he was far conscious of the Phoenix's importance in the universe from an earlier encounter]. The Phoenix actually left the fight on the full realization (based on Galactus' elaboration to the Phoenix's role) that it was more a life parasite than a life bringer.

But that still doesn't make Phoenix over Death.

The true utilization of the Phoenix would be more a servant of Death than against it. Oblivion (I think it was) once encountered the Phoenix as it was brooding over it's existence.

Where's Impossible Man in the Marvel hierachy? He revitalized and repopulated (on personal power) a dead alternate Earth planet on a whim.

Originally posted by eleveninches
BTW, spectre should be ranked below michael and lucifer, as Michael has often kicked spectre's butt.

This jumped out at me.

So according to your logic, if an opponent defeats another, they are necessarily more powerful than them?

So Spiderman is more powerful than Titania?

Spiderman is more powerful than Firelord?

Thor is more powerful than Surfer?

Wonder Woman is more powerful than Superman?

Martian Manhunter is more powerful than Superman?

Batgirl is more powerful than Lady Shiva?

Daredevil is more powerful than Sabertooth?

Phoenix is more powerful than Galactus?

Colossus is more powerful than Proteus?

No.

Oblivion is the imaginary construct that arose from Kyle's subconcious before he became ion. He apparrently existed before the universe, and is totally omnipotent.

Galactus is the oldest being in the Marvel Universe -- that makes him omnipotent? No.

Stop making excuses for Galactus getting his ass kicked. He was hungry; and?

M. Manhunter is more powerful than Superman...Superman a better fighter though

Originally posted by Mainstream
M. Manhunter is more powerful than Superman...Superman a better fighter though

I disagree. He's more versatile.

"Galactus is the oldest being in the Marvel Universe -- that makes him omnipotent? No."

No it makes him just that. The oldest being in the universe. Phoenix 2 could only draw on the force in limited amounts and was by no means as powerful as phoenix 1 obviously. The crossover where phoenix beats back a hungry galactus isnt the only time they've fought. They also had a confrontation in the last days of excalibur where not only did rachel put galactus in his place for trying to eat the earth again, but she knocked out nova. This is just phoenix 2 for gods sake!! Galactus draws his power from planets and can tap into the power cosmic. The phoenix is the living sentient energy from the psyches of EVERYTHING in existence. Plus when in her sentient form where she can take over and/or talk with her avatar she draws on the life energy of generations not yet born. Its ridiculous to say that galactus is more powerful than the phoenix force. A full power galactus against phoenix 2 maybe. Thats debatable. But not the phoenix force. It was also in that same issue that death appeared to both galactus and phoenix and she/it asked if he was ready to give in to her as he must do eventually. Galactus said he was not ready. Death holds power over him but not phoenix.
If u want to read about the importance of the phoenix force to existence then check out the grant morrison run on xmen where it explains that phoenix avatars such as jean, rachel and kid omega hav a special mutation that allows them as ultimate potential of their power to tap into the phoenix force. These avatars act as doctors of the universe. Healing what needs to be healed for the balance and security of existence (M'Kraan crystal) and burning away what doesnt work(D'bari and Sublime) There can only be one avatar at a time which is why when jean was apparently dead rachel summers was phoenix 2 and then when rachel got lost in the timestream she lost her connection with the force and jean started manifesting a phoenix energy signature. The phoenix force through its avatars works with death for the balance of the universe burning away the old to begin life anew. Galactus isnt on that level.

It seems as if you are confusing importance with overall power.

Galactus outside of story arcs is more powerful than The Phoenix Force...and I am quite aware of what The Phoenix Force is and its relationship to the universe.

Originally posted by Never
I disagree. He's more versatile.

I figured you would...but think about it MM can do everything Supes can do...plus mind read, shape change and make himself shadow like...logically he he's more powerful than Kal-EL...the regular superman anyway..none of that Superman Prime stuff please.