Power Levels of Dc And Marvel

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The crossover where phoenix beats back a hungry galactus isnt the only time they've fought. They also had a confrontation in the last days of excalibur where not only did rachel put galactus in his place for trying to eat the earth again, but she knocked out nova. This is just phoenix 2 for gods sake!!

Actually, it's the other way around. The appearance of Nova was BEFORE the other encounter and Galactus did not fight the Phoenix in that battle. Nova was using poor tactics and got humiliated by Rachel and it was Meggan that challenged Galactus by absorbing the Earth essence to be (in her mind) on par with him. Rachel not wanting to sacrifice the lives of her comrades or the Earth was willing to give herself up. But when Galactus began using the energy converter to draw out the Phoenix essence, the stars begans disappearing and it was this event and the persuasion by Roma and a disguised Merlyn to desist with his actions.

Galactus draws his power from planets and can tap into the power cosmic. The phoenix is the living sentient energy from the psyches of EVERYTHING in existence. Plus when in her sentient form where she can take over and/or talk with her avatar she draws on the life energy of generations not yet born. Its ridiculous to say that galactus is more powerful than the phoenix force. A full power galactus against phoenix 2 maybe. Thats debatable. But not the phoenix force. It was also in that same issue that death appeared to both galactus and phoenix and she/it asked if he was ready to give in to her as he must do eventually. Galactus said he was not ready. Death holds power over him but not phoenix.

Yes, well he's more like a battery that needs to be charged up every so often. As the Phoenix does not have to manually tap into a source, she is indeed a tough match for Galactus overall. But in a battle, Phoenix would be hardpressed to use it's full potential as such an action would conflict with the very conscious nature of it's being (life rather than death).

"Galactus outside of story arcs is more powerful than The Phoenix Force"

Im not doing that at all. Like i have said phoenix 2 the weakest of the phoenixs has stood her ground against galactus without breaking a sweat on more than one occassion. Like i also said phoenix knocked out nova and threw her at her master staggering him. I went into all of that importance of the phoenix force to the universe stuff because a few posts bk someone was using the fact that galactus is the oldest in the universe and the fact that he is important to the balance of the universe as testament to the power he wields. So i went on to convey how important the phoenix is. In terms of power galactus cant compare to the phoenix force. Maybe one of its weaker avatars. The phoenix had displayed feats over the years which make galactus' power seem laughable. The M'kraan crystal as u know and i hav mentioned earlier is the nexus point for everything in the MULTIVERSE. Not just this universe that galactus resides in. The phoenix under its own power reserves held together and reenergised the strands which held the multiverse together and stopped it from unravelling. Galactus has done no such feat which even comes close to that. We are comparing a planet eater who can tap into the universes power cosmic to the sentient psychic energy of everything in existence which holds power over death, something galactus can only dream. At the end of the day we can speculate online for as long as we want but thats all it is. Speculation. I go by what has happened in the comic books, comic book writers and by my own common sense.

I only know the two encounters as mentioned earlier. One was Rachel, while the other was the Phoenix conscious and the only true battle against Galactus was the latter. As Galactus seldom is shown while full powered, it's hard to say how effectively powerful he is.

Phoenix could be classified as a universal constant in it's own regard and it was only by the inteference of Feron that it had a consciousness at all.

Originally posted by Never
This jumped out at me.

So according to your logic, if an opponent defeats another, they are necessarily more powerful than them?

So Spiderman is more powerful than Titania?

Spiderman is more powerful than Firelord?

Thor is more powerful than Surfer?

Wonder Woman is more powerful than Superman?

Martian Manhunter is more powerful than Superman?

Batgirl is more powerful than Lady Shiva?

Daredevil is more powerful than Sabertooth?

Phoenix is more powerful than Galactus?

Colossus is more powerful than Proteus?

No.

Galactus is the oldest being in the Marvel Universe -- that makes him omnipotent? No.

Stop making excuses for Galactus getting his ass kicked. He was hungry; and?

And Michael has totally beat the crap out of spectre on every occasion that they fought each other. Spectre is an aspect of god, but in the Corrigan Spectre Series, Michael explains that all things in existance are an aspect of god (including himself).

In DC, Lucifer and Michael have ALWAYS been God's favourates. Yahweh even named lucifeer as his successor

Originally posted by eleveninches

And Michael has totally beat the crap out of spectre on every occasion that they fought each other.

This is exactly what I was referencing earlier.

Michael has more of god's power than spectre does. Michael had power equal to that of god, whereas spectre only has power over vengeance

I found an updated list.

the 853rd Century
The 3 Demons
The 5th Dimensional Imps
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Abaddon the Destroyer
Abnegazar
Adramelech
Agony & Ectacy
The Aleph
Amenadiel
Angel Host
Anti-Life Entity
Anti-Matter Man
Anti-Monitor
Anti-Sun
Archangel Michael
Archangels
Arzaz
Asmodel
Auron
Azmodus
Bane-Mite
Bat-mite
Belial
Black Racer
Brimstone
the Brothers also were the Yin and Yang, Good and Evil, the Mainyu (Amalgam Comics)
Brothers of the Fallen(first, second and third)
Bull Host
Candlemaker
Carnivore
the Cathexis
Clocxwerk
Chaos and Order
Chronos
Controllers
Cosmic Gamblers
Darkseid (one with the Source from NG v4)
Dark Gods
Dark Lord Mordru(see Mordru)
Deadman
Death
Decreator
Doctor Doomsday (Amalgam Comics)
Doctor Manhattan
Dominus
Dorothy Spinner
The Dreamer
Duma
Eagle
Eclipso
Elder Gods
The Endless
Entropy (see Krona)
Euricros
Extant
Fates
Fernus and the Burning Martians
the First Citadelian
Gabriel
God of Africa
Gog
Ghast
Glorith
Gods of Krypton
Great Evil Beast
Greek Gods
Gyges and Garamas with God power)
Guardians of the Universe
H'ronmeer
Harbinger
Hawkgod
Heggra
Hercules
Highfather
Hourman 3(see Warlogog)
Hyperman
Ibac(also Sabbac)
ID(6th Dimensional)
Imperiex Prime and the Imperiex Probes
Imps
Infinite man
Ion
Izaya
Izanami
Keeper of the Oracle of Styx
the Kindly Ones
King of Tears
Kismet
Krona
Lion
Lokee
Loki
Lord of Chaos
Lord of Order
Lord Satanis
Lord Satanus
Lucifer
Lucifer Morningstar
Mad God of 3600
Manhunter from Mars
Mahu
Maggedon
Magog(Elseworlds)
Mawu
Meshta
Metron
Michael
Millennium Giants
Mr. Mxyzptlk
Mistos
Monarch
Monitor
Nameless One
Nebula Man
Neron
Norse gods
Oblivion I and II
Odin
Old Gods
Oloron the First Born
One with the Source
Orion with the Ale and in his true form
Osirect
Pantheon gods
Parallax
The Presence
Progenitor
Promethian Giants
The Quintessence
Ra
Ramiel
Rao
Rath
Rama Kushna
S'ivaa the Destroyer
Sabbac
Sandalphon
Sandman
Satan
Satanus
The Seven Deadly Enemy of Man
Seviram
Shadowy Mr. Evans
Shango the Thunderer
Shattered Gods
Shazam(The Wizard Shazam)
Sinestro after Death
The Source
Solaris The Tyrant Sun
Spectre
Starro the star conquerer
Stigmonus Monsieur
Strange Visitor (see Kismet)
Suli
Sun-Eater
Superman Prime
Susano-o-no-makota
Telephone Avatar
Thanoseid(Amalgam Comics)
Thunderbolts
Tigra
Timeless Ones
Time Trapper
Trigon The terrible
Ultimator
Uni-Friend
the Unimaginables
Vestaments
The Voice
Voiceless Gods
Wally the God Boy
Warlogog
The Wizard
Wonderworld race and heroes
The Word
Wotan
X'Hal
Yuga Khan
Zamarons
Zauriel
Zeus

oh yeah throw priahah in there and finally DC has the uperhand in power levels.

Wasnt Ion Omnipotent? Omnipresent? Omnisomething...
Did I Ever Say Who Much I Hate Kyle Rayner?

Ion was up their..Sliver Surfer level..maybe higher.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The One Above All/The Heart of the universe
The Living Tribunal
Infinity Gauntlet
Eternity/Infinity
Phoenix Force
Celestials(Exitar)
Kosmos(Molecule an and Beyonder)/Shaper of Worlds/Kubik
Galactus/Death
Celestials
Master Order/Lord Chaos/Chronos
Stranger/Inbetweener
Love/Hate
Eon
Epoch
Dormammu/Mephisto/Chton/Oshtur/Agamotto/Hoggoth

I pretty much agree, but Death is undoubtely above Galactus. And where is fully pwoered Franklin Richards (since even Celestials relized Richards powers are above theirs), I would give him above Galactus. But what about M'Krann Crystal, this force is even above PF and probaly eternity and infinity.

Originally posted by Never
This jumped out at me.

So according to your logic, if an opponent defeats another, they are necessarily more powerful than them?

So Spiderman is more powerful than Titania?

Spiderman is more powerful than Firelord?

Thor is more powerful than Surfer?

Wonder Woman is more powerful than Superman?

Martian Manhunter is more powerful than Superman?

Batgirl is more powerful than Lady Shiva?

Daredevil is more powerful than Sabertooth?

Phoenix is more powerful than Galactus?

Colossus is more powerful than Proteus?

So just how would you define how powerful somebody is. If they cant beat somebody else, then they are not practically more powerful than them

Originally posted by Never
It seems as if you are confusing importance with overall power.

Galactus outside of story arcs is more powerful than The Phoenix Force...and I am quite aware of what The Phoenix Force is and its relationship to the universe.

In terms of power, Galactus is just nothing compared to PF.

moving...

troubled, where is that list from?

this is how i think DC describes Yahweh (God) in the DC/Vertigo Universe.
1. Yahweh (God Himself).
2. The Presence (Gods Holy Presence). The Presence = God.
3. The Source (Gods Will).
4. The Word (Gods Word).
5. The Voice (Gods Voice).
6. Decreator (Gods Shadow).

also i dont see why ppl keep saying The Presence is dead he is not, that was in The Preacher and it is not in the DC/Vergito storyline. The Preacher is in a comic world all in its own and separate from DC/Vergito. to prove that The Spectre has said in GL Rebirth that his Lord is calling him Home, meaning The Presence is alive and well like he will always be....😄

But in Lucifer, he was shown to leave the DCUniverse. Lucifer says "He's closed the circle of infinity from the outside. He is NOT coming back".
That was after Yahweh named Lucifer as his successor

yeah but before The Presence left on his own free will, he also preordained something to happen that Lucifer and Michael didn't even know about, all of this is part of his plan, it does not mean that he has to be around for it to work. whatever God wants he will get. The Spectre has talked to The Presence meaning that Yahweh is still watching everything that is going on. God is just somewhere where nobody (not even Lucifer) can follow him unless he wants to talk to someone like The Spectre has done.