WWII- Questions?

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Who really won WWII?

Soviets.

I first come here ,hello everyone

Clovie I don't think the soviets are/were the real winner. They lost millions of people (altho the russians always lose big in wars -and their governement never seems to mind-) so I am quite sure that to the relatives and friends of those millions of casualties it did not feel as a victory. Then on the other hand with the forming of the USSR and all it satellite states they made an gigantic advance in territory and influence

A collectivist state does not worry about the individual so by their reasoning they did win.

Originally posted by Fire
Clovie I don't think the soviets are/were the real winner. They lost millions of people (altho the russians always lose big in wars -and their governement never seems to mind-) so I am quite sure that to the relatives and friends of those millions of casualties it did not feel as a victory. Then on the other hand with the forming of the USSR and all it satellite states they made an gigantic advance in territory and influence

"Europe" does not have a definite article in that context.

And there wasn't much of a choice by the post war stage!

why not? it was my part of the europe so it is definite for me 😕

i don't agree. they had choice. but they just didn't care.

The soviets were a superpower by then, a war with them would have been VERY costly and Stalin was a total loose cannon.

You don't write "'the' Europe," you just write "Europe."

cry so what? they've sold us.

sure schmoll

Actually they really didn'T have much choice, what should they have done, fight the next war against the Soviets?

YES

Originally posted by shaber
A collectivist state does not worry about the individual so by their reasoning they did win.

I know that's why I mentioned there family and friends, cause the politburo and all the other members of the party could think what they wanted the people still cared for their friends and family

well maybe then alll of europe and the US would have been communist, would you like that more?

Clovie fighting the soviets would have claimed even more lives. It is true however that in the allies and the soviets made a sort of deal about which parts of europe would fall under which range of influence (I think it was discussed by Churchill, Roosevelt (could also have been Trueman) and Stalin on Malta)

Originally posted by Bardock42
well maybe then alll of europe and the US would have been communist, would you like that more?

I think it would have ended in nuclear war

Originally posted by Fire
Clovie fighting the soviets would have claimed even more lives. It is true however that in the allies and the soviets made a sort of deal about which parts of europe would fall under which range of influence (I think it was discussed by Churchill, Roosevelt (could also have been Trueman) and Stalin on Malta)

and NO. it wouldn't have finnished in nuclear war. Soviets didn't have technology back then. i think that if americans did it in the right way, they've could only threaten them and there would be no big war 😕

Stalin would probably have started a war even before the soviets had stolen the nuclear technology. That way he'd still go out with a blaze of glory 😱 😖