Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Haha. Why is it?Why do you have the right to rule out something the F4 could use to win? Why are you assuming both teams show up with sleeves rolled to their elbows, ready to fist fight?
-AC
i didn't rule out anything... the thread starter was not specific about prep time, location or situation...
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
No.It means Galactus is more powerful than JLA, and they stopped him, physical or not. Not being the case.
Try again.
i understood what he meant...
i'm wieghing up each persons abilities, it was already stated how they beat him previously...
juggernaut 74 said no prep time, so reed is a non element, unless he pulls something he made earlier out of his ass...
four v four, no prep, jla win, unless both mm and flash hesitate...
Originally posted by pr1983
i understood what he meant...i'm wieghing up each persons abilities, it was already stated how they beat him previously...
so reed is a non element
Reed is a massive element in a battle, he's hardly a random guy out there.
Regardless of how they beat him, point is they formulated a way to do it. Outside elements fair enough, but that's Galactus, not four JLA members. Any victory against Galactus is going on the cv, let's be honest.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Reed is a massive element in a battle, he's hardly a random guy out there.Regardless of how they beat him, point is they formulated a way to do it. Outside elements fair enough, but that's Galactus, not four JLA members. Any victory against Galactus is going on the cv, let's be honest.
i never said it didn't, they are all impressive, but there were circumstances that lead to those victories... it has to be taken into context, if the ff and galactus were dropped in the middle of a field (albeit a very large one), who'd win? i'd say galactus...
this is no more than a four v four... no prep...
reed can't do much without prep, he is a great leader but i can't see him hurting mm, flash or hal... he is incredibly durable but that won't count for much in a battle with one of dc's best telepath's...
torch and thing? seriously? neither of them can do shit to a green lantern, especially hal...
alpha, are you talking to me?
Originally posted by pr1983
it has to be taken into context, if the ff and galactus were dropped in the middle of a field (albeit a very large one), who'd win? i'd say galactus...
Same here.
By putting it in context- which I did- you can't then take it OUT of context to prove the untruth of it.
I don't doubt he'd beat them in a straight fight. That wasn't the point I was/am making.
To be honest any fight involving prep time isnt really a fight its more of a chess match. That is why I said no prep time. In a fight to the finish using their powers and nothing more the JLA should win. Although if it were prep time on both sides I still go with JLA now cause I think MM is smarter than Reed.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Same here.By putting it in context- which I did- you can't then take it OUT of context to prove the untruth of it.
I don't doubt he'd beat them in a straight fight. That wasn't the point I was/am making.
i know, i don't underestimate the fantastic four at all, trust me. They have accomplished some amazing feats over the years, but one of their most potent weapons has always been reed's brain... in this fight it doesn't really have much of a place though... thats the way i see it...
is the question who would win in a fight or who is more powerful...honestly, look at the JLA, most characters, well the main starters, are maxed out in power if ur talking about Hal or Superman or MM...those guys r more "powerful" on the surface than Reed Richards...he's simply not usually that powerful. However, if he wants to be he could be very "powerful"...as the Dark Raider, Richards could have probably taken four top JLA characters by himself. I think some people r trying to say JLA would win because they r more powerful on the surface. I totally agree. But although lots of the FF characters are easily underestimated the first time around, when they r pushed they can come out on top against people who should beat them on paper...like the Thing fighting the Destroyer or Occulus...or Torch beating Graviton...or IW destroying Exitar...Just like any super powerful memeber of the JLA, they should have lost or been killed by those guys. Just look at JLA's enemies, they r often given a hard time by the most weak and generic villains...But the FF can beat Abraxis or Galactus but its impossible for them to give 4 members of the JLA a fight?
as usual...I go with the FF.