The THING VS. The Abomination

Originally posted by K3VIL
I'm assuming that.
Abomination in his first appearence beat the crap outta Hulk.
So happened in the last, he dominated for most of the fight.
Until he started talking about Betty's death, causing Hulk to get so mad he reduced his face to a chunk of flesh and skin and throwed him against a helycopter.
Abomination's strenght fluctuates based on the use the writers wanna make with him.
Thing is not a Class 100 or 95.Marvel never stated that.

As ive already said, villains tend to be portrayed as a lot more dangerous in their initial appearances than they ever will be again. The heroes after time get their measure and eventually learn how to deal with them.

Hulk was used to having no equal in terms of strength then along came Ab who was considerably stronger than hulks base level and was a communist operative a trained fighter. Compare that to Banner lol. Hulk just relied on his strength t get him through in those days(although these days his skills have improved) For these reasons abomination messed up hulk in their initial encounter.

After more encounters hulk got abs measure and would go on to consistently thrash him.

For no reason whatsoever should you assume that abomination could lift up 200 tons in those days. That simply was not the case. You really shouldnt put up unfounded figures out there on the forum for people to pick up and believe.

Yeah. So Ab messed hulk up a bit in their last fight. Its been a little while and when hulk was enraged enough he went on to beat Abominatin as per usual. Theres no reason there to assume Ab is suddenly of 200 ton lifitng ability because of that. Come on K3 thats really silly.

Also. Why do you keep telling me that thing isnt class 100? I KNOW. I havent said otherwise. Read my posts properly and you'd know that

Thing's strength level is 6 out of 7....and 6 = 75 to 100 Tons

He is up there. As far as i see, thing is strong enough to make a win together with other factors.

I put him on the lower class of the best bricks at marvel. Problem is while Abom is slighty stronger he isent more skilled. Nor is he the better fighter of the two. Again im talking on the average portraits of them, handbooks aside.

Btw besides the first fight where he destroyed the hulk, did he won other fights against the Hulk?

We should all start mailing Marvel to have the match up actually done in a comic. It is a classic match up between two 'monsters' one a rocky 'thing', the other an 'abomination' to humanity. One regret's his transformation the other embraces it.

Damn sure!

Abom needs a win again -spoilers-

After being trashed by Hercules with one punch mmmm 👿

Hi I'm new to this forum, and Ive only just worked out how to reply to your statements, so go easy on me. (please)

I'm not too clued up on the rules of what not to write, and I'm far to idle to read the Rules folder. So in advance I apologies for any future offence my threads may cause. Sorry about the bad English and appalling spelling as well. I'm Dislexy thingy, so i have an excuse.

Any way back to the matter in hand, i believe that marvel should do away with the whole strength class system. D.C. comics has no limits set on it's characters. Yet most readers would be able to give a definitive scale of where their characters stand against one another.

I also believe that the system has put to much restraint upon the artists. As they are having to consider the Characters limitations when drawing them.

There is also a great lack of consistency. The other day I read a comic where Ben Grimm stopped a commuter train weighing far in excess of 85 tons. I've also seen characters such as Ulik ( A class 90 character, or level 6 by the new marvel system ) match Thor who has inconsistently shown he can lift objects way over 100 tons.

When considering this fight i think you have to consider the other factors, such as Abominations spy training and his ruthless cunning. You also have to consider the fact that Benn has been beaten to within an inch of his life and still carried on fighting, against opponents Far stronger than Abomination (E.G. Champion with the power gem, Hulk when very angry, Gladiator)

I agree with that. It was because of this whole " characters can only lift this much class" that made the general comic reader think that Dc heroes are more powerful.

lets take the example of my fav hero herc.

He goes from wrestling a lion ( a nasty one but still ) from battling gods, overpowering death itself, figthing thypon and zeus, and holding the heavens on his back.

Marvel top tier heroes should do what Dc heroes do. Overpowering things according to the storie and what any common sense says. Supes can do pretty much everything earth based but no on is going to say he can beat God.

Marvel top tiers ( the so called class 100 ) should lift anything earth based. Dc ones also. That doesnt mean they can lift the universe and planets. Its all common sense.

Or then again it should be.

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean comic writers aren't morons, (Well some of them any way)
They are un likely to let it get out of hand like they did with Superman. (Pre Crisis)

Look at the Ultimate universe. There are no official strength levels attached to that (yet) and we already seen Colossus lift a Submarine and stop an oncoming train. Those are two of my favourite images from the whole series.

From my limited comic experience, i find Marvel Comics to be superior than D.C. except for one aspect. If you ever read a JLA, Superman or even Batman comic you are likely to see a character performing an impressive feat of strength. (Some of which are a bit over the top like three people using chains of metal to move the moon out of orbit).

You have to go a long way back in any marvel comic to see anything that is in the least bit impressive. I mean throwing cars and up rooting trees is great, but pretty much any one who is any one can do that in the D.C. universe. I just don't think super strength in Marvel is that SUPER anymore.

Dc has a big disavantage. Any feat pre-crisis doesnt hold any candle anymore. Marvel never had that. Thors feats in the 60`s or 80`s still come to play because its in continuaty.

Things is even post crisis Dc heroes perfom more feats and in a almost weekly basis. Marvel with the class limitation and theyr basis in making theyr heroes more human and easy to relate, dont.

Thats why we have to endure pll saying for example WW is stronger than Herc when she on her own never did a atrenght feat that gets in that level. But because Marvel doesnt showcase great feats for along time, and ww does more currently, the line of thinking goes this way.

Originally posted by yahman
I just don't think super strength in Marvel is that SUPER anymore.

Everybody in Marvel can do some crazy stuff when it comes to speed.

Then kgkg says that Superman can barely go mach 1.

From what Ive seen from Marvel They tend to suggest Super speed with Quotes from opponents and bystanders rather than doing that cool blurry image thing they do in D.C.

Such an effect is only applied to Speedsters such as Quicksilver and that Dude who use to be part of Alpha Flight and is now with the X-Men
I have a comic where Darksied is about to hit Batman and it makes it quite evident that he is moving in super speed.

But i do believe that characters such as Thor and Thanos do have some form of Super speed. And I'm not talking about their transport devices.

Superman moving at only Mach 1, What the F@~#k!!!!!!!!!!
Mann he moves way faster than that in the Small ville series which is a down powered version of supes. At least in the strength department any way.

Marvel characters are though suggested as being more realistic which does mean no ridiculous moving at F.T.L by running.
Sorry Wally.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
What about speed?

Everybody in Marvel can do some crazy stuff when it comes to speed.

Then kgkg says that Superman can barely go mach 1.

Yeah right. Thor supposedly has superspeed (according to Marvel.) Marvel almost never uses a character's speed in fights, which causes one to ponder whether or not they possess it. It seems that Marvel is only really concerned with a character's traveling speed.

'Yeah right. Thor supposedly has superspeed (according to Marvel.) Marvel almost never uses a character's speed in fights, which causes one to ponder whether or not they possess it. It seems that Marvel is only really concerned with a character's traveling speed.'-Cosmic Cube

Yeah what he said !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by yahman
'Yeah right. Thor supposedly has superspeed (according to Marvel.) Marvel almost never uses a character's speed in fights, which causes one to ponder whether or not they possess it. It seems that Marvel is only really concerned with a character's traveling speed.'-Cosmic Cube

Yeah what he said !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah - it can be very misleading at times with their speed ratings.

There are the odd references about Thor moving faster than Lighting when in combat but i can't remember who made them.

I might be sticking my neck out a bit by saying this but i kinda of prefer it that way.

'Yeah right. Thor supposedly has super speed (according to Marvel.) Marvel almost never uses a character's speed in fights, which causes one to ponder whether or not they possess it. It seems that Marvel is only really concerned with a character's traveling speed.'-Cosmic Cube

Super Speed is far to much of an advantage. With it it should be technically possible to beat any Supervillan who doesn't have it.Speed though is important for transport and should be used in combat by those who are not power houses. Giving it to people like Wonder Woman and Superman makes them logically unbeatable.

marvel.com says Aboms FGHT SKLL is a 2 to Ben's 5

Ben is the better fighter Ben wins 😎

The abomination turns thing into crazy paving

Ben has always been one of the best fighers of the bricks. And you dont need marvel.com to see that. Comics show it. thats how he broke Champions ribs while all the others that wer there couldnt.

Wasn't Abom a spy for the KGB once though?

Im sure he was given combat training in that. It would also explain why he used to be able to hold his own against the Hulk for so long.

Has Abom ever lifted anything that Heavy?

Benn though is a bloody good fighter although getting a punch on Champion is probably not as hard as Champ makes out. I mean he was beaten by She Hulk.