Kinda depressing, no? Not that Star Wars needs a happy, scrappy, dancing Ewok ending, but it certainly doesn't require a Matrix ending.
And you'd still have Leia... it is suggested to the audience that she'll become a Jedi too someday ("pass on what you've learned" "in time, you'll learn to use it as I have"😉. Kill her too?
No, while I think certain things could be improved upon in ROTJ, killing Luke is hardly a decent ending. The Saga is about the Skywalkers, Anakin in particular... if Luke should die, all 6 six episodes would be in vain... the Fall of the Jedi, the Rebellion, the Fall of the Empire/Sith and in the end the Fall of the future/hope? Nonono... 🙁
Mistamandalore, you have it all wrong. Balance of the force has nothing to do with the number of Jedi and Sith. The force is out of balance because Sidious' evil Sith magic corrupts the force itself, and thus Anakin was created to destroy him.
I agree with you somewhat about his character progression, but the fact is, he's the strongest (and only) light side wielder during his duel with Vader, and I think it makes sense he's much calmer and wiser.
I think the idea was to present change and growth as a character. I didn't find Luke to be annoying, really, as a Jedi. In fact, his calmness in dealing with Jabba's guards I rather enjoyed, even if it did seem a bit Sithlike. (Note he choked a guard.) But I found the mature Luke to be more enjoyable than the whiner of the past two films.
And let's ward of the debate on the imbalance of the Force, since I've seen it debated elsewhere and it gets ulgy. And excuse my friend Nefarus... he's a zealot.
[QUOTE=3456201]Originally posted by Red Superfly
[B]Dude, Luke and Leia being brother and sisters was the plan all along. Even in the early drafts there was the whole twin Skywalker thing.
I seriously doubt that it was planned all along because I dont see Lucas being stupid enough if that was his original plan to have during the filming of Empire Strikes Back to have Luke and Leia kiss each other on the mouth and with passion no less committing incense.Back then Lucas knew what he was doing,but when he made Return of the Jedi its obvious he did not have a clue to what he was doing and just made that up.
The acting was just plain horrible in Jedi among the 3 main actors of Ford Fisher and Hamill it wasnt just Hamill.
Alright, many things. First off, learn to use the period and comma. Second, it's incest, not incense. Incense is something you burn to get girls motivated or to cover up the dead rat smell in the kitchen. Incest is when your sister is purdy. Third, I didn't notice any bad acting in RotJ by the three main characters, so maybe you just have a nitpicking issue. And lastly... If you reply to this, make it worth my while.
I seriously doubt that it was planned all along because I dont see Lucas being stupid enough if that was his original plan to have during the filming of Empire Strikes Back to have Luke and Leia kiss each other on the mouth and with passion no less committing incense.
Oh come on, do you really believe that?
A) In the original drafts of Star Wars, there were the Skywalker twins. They became Luke and Leia. FACT.
B) Leia didn't give Luke a passionate kiss. She was digging Han, and when Han got all mouthy, she got all defensive and PRETENDED to kiss Luke passionately, it was to get Han all jealous. The movie made that pretty damn obvious. Luke was the only other male in the room. Would it have made sense for her to plant a smacker on Chewy instead?
C) Lucas didn't know if Star Wars was gonna be a hit. He didn't have time to do the whole twin thing, and so kept that idea on the backburner, but kept it open enough, that if there was a sequel, he left the Luke and Leia relationship open enough.
D) Most people are mature enough to understand it wasn't insest because they weren't aware of who each other were.
It's really that simple.
What definitly should have happened, in my humble opinion, the Death Star is destroyed, the Imperial Fleet, instead of disappearing with no explanation, closes in on the now crippled rebel fleet, final destroying it in a final battle which closes with bittersweet irony, the death star, emperor and all the evil they represent are wiped away, the Empire is reborn under a new leader and set about finally bringing peace to the galaxy.
With the rebel alliance shattered there is no more terrorist actions allowing the Empire under its more understanding leaders to prosper and finally bring peace and balance to the galaxy.
(Star wars was never intended as one huge thing, the first release of star wars was never called episode IV, in addition in the first one theres inconsistencies with the other 2, for example, Darth Vader killing Luke's father (explained in epV because it was so odd yer?) also Darth Vader is his name as in Darth being his first name, not a title at all, have a look and see)
While it was called Star Wars, the original trilogy was meant to be one big movie, though it couldn't possibly be made as Ep. VI cost a large amount even back then...
Secondly, I don't see the inconsistancy as you see it, therefore I don't find it to be an issue. Darth Vader killed Anakin. Makes sense to me, from a certain point of view. And as for his name being Darth Vader, while I would imagine in the credits he was always called that. To keep his indentity secret as it should have been. It's not exactly good for the storyline to be like "Hey, here's Anakin I done killed myself according to Obi Wan but am really Darth Vader even though you don't know it Skywalker" ... acted by David Prowse. Really quite stupid, if you ask me. As is the idea that none of this was conceived until ROTJ came out. And, Mr. Parker, if you're so hooked on this incest thing (From that momentary peck of a make out session you call incest) I suggest you find better things to do with your time than to come to a SW forum and start ripping on something MILLIONS of other people have looked at and not been troubled by. And with that I leave.