If he wanted to replace Shaw for continuity, so be it. But, Lucas could have at least had Hayden in aging makeup, to look in his late 40's. I'm just thankful that he didn't do more than remove eybrows and recolor Shaw's eyes for the Vader death scene. I mean, thank God Luke didn't pull away Vader's mask to reveal Hayden's face!
I think that if they were editing the end of ROTJ with the ghosts, they could have at least added some more Jedi from the prequels, like Mace for instance. This could be do to the rumor about Qui Gon being the one who explains about becoming one with the force and some jedi never getting to learn about it. Great theory by the way southtown.
Originally posted by Darth Plagueis
Hmmmm...going back to the altered DVD versions though, Anakins' force ghost (is there an "official" term for this phenomenon?) has been altered to reflect Haydens version, suggesting....well, suggesting what exactly???? His apparition reppresents how he looked decades before his death......hmmm...troubling the future is,,,,
Great thread bud, really interesting reading!
Sorry to go slightly off topic, but just picking up on this...Would it not have been a good idea to get Ewan to do all the Obi-wan ghosts in ESB and ROTJ? It would have tied the prequals together nicely seeing young Obi talking to Yoda again? Luke might have been a but wtf though....
Another thing, why does Sid have to 'change' in Ep III?
I thought it would be plausable for the dark side to twist your appearence over time explaning the differences between Ep III and IV?
Originally posted by Telemicus
Great thread bud, really interesting reading!Sorry to go slightly off topic, but just picking up on this...Would it not have been a good idea to get Ewan to do all the Obi-wan ghosts in ESB and ROTJ? It would have tied the prequals together nicely seeing young Obi talking to Yoda again? Luke might have been a but wtf though....
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I think that wouldnt have looked right to change Obi-Wan's look. It's been said that Hayden was inserted in there because thats how Anakin looked when he ceased to be the good man that was Anakin Skywalker and became Darth vader if you get my drift. Using that logic it makes perfect sense to me. 🙂
And I like to think Maul always looked that bad ass. There was no reason for him to alter his appearance. But I do think the tats came later in his life, closer to the time he became Sids apprentice.
Originally posted by XX Emperor XX
Maybe the whole dark side changing your appreance is true like said before only Sidious is greatly disformed because he's been tapping into the dark side for so long, and maybe he can hide his appreance, but after the fight with Windu, Windu conflicts damage on his face preventing Palps from ever hiding his true identity
I think it's more that he has no reason to hide his appearance anymore. He's basically won the struggle between good and evil at this point. I would thing that there is a certain amout of effort to maintain his appearance, and after revealing himself durring the Windu fight, there is no longer a need to change his appearance after this point.
Here's my theory on Hayden's ghost. I spent about 15 minutes writing a detailed explanation, but somehow I lost the text, so I'll rewrite this, however it is extremely compiled.
Midichlorian Force Theory 101 (Condensed)
1) During Sith training, midichlorians are used as biological catalysts for unnatural metaphysical and psychic abilities. Genetic deformations appear over time, through application of this technique, even mutating the user's physical appearance. This constant expenditure of energy leaves the midichlorians barren and useless. Like dead cells. So at death, the energy lifeforce has been depleted. Result? No Sith Ghost.
2) Qui-Gon is able to return as a Force ghost because he's able to detect Anakin's power. (now, this hasn't been confirmed for episode 3, but I will seek to explain his involvement in Episode 2) Like a radar in the darkness. A light at the end of the tunnel, so to speak. Anakin had more midichlorians than any lifeform, more than Yoda, the most powerful Jedi. With that much power, any converse activity by Anakin would be felt throughout the balance of the Force, like ripples in a pond. It is my theory that Anakin's actions in Episode 2 triggered Qui-Gon's interaction from beyound the grave. Clearly, this is due to his intensive emotional attachment to Anakin Skywalker. We all heard his voice in Attack of the Clones. Even in mystical theory, ghosts return to the realm of the living for some unfinished business, whether emotional ties or an insatiable lust for vengeance.
3) Anakin is able to return to the living as a Force ghost because, while his dead midichlorian cells were depleted and lifeless, he had enough midichlorians left over that were good that enabled him to retain his lifeforce energy. "There is good in him, i sense it." The good midichlorians weren't destroyed during Anakin's fall to evil, simply incubated, if I could use that word. Or maybe still. Silent.
Conversely, if we didn't apply the theory of good/bad midichlorians, we could suggest that he was only using a portion of his midichlorian count to tap into the Dark Side.
Remaining midichlorians might be like genetic imprints. Sidious is able to retain his human face while in disguise. They carry with them the genetic disposition or memory to do so.
Anakin was able to stay "young Anakin", because when he ceased to be Anakin any longer, those midichlorians that were no longer used lay dormant or still. But after death, he was able to revive due to the lifefore that existed in those cells.
I can go into more detail, but this post is looking to be a bit long.
Anyways, think it over.