Green Lantern vs. Storm and Sue Storm

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm can work her powers THROUGH Magneto's forcefields.

As we can see, Magneto can take an optic blast and a class 100 strength punch from Colossus with his Shields.

http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=classicxmen01812rq9.jpg

But here we see Storm SLICING and ripping right through him to the BONE WITH HIS SHIELDS UP almost Killing him, all while HOLDING BACK.

http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=classicxmen01813mq3.jpg

Again we see his shields holding up to a full Blast from PHOENIX who is semi-bloodlusted.

http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shield3hp5.jpg

Whereas here we see Ororo taxing his shield unto certain death until he uses Colossus as a weapon. He even says how much it strained his "magnetic powers"(his SHIELDS)

http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandmagneto1vm.jpg
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Also note that given Storm's nature, she was likely holding back here as well.

Poeple often cite Magneto as one of the smartest Supervillains-- a literal GENIUS.

Why would he drop his shields with Nightcrawler and Colossus directly behind him??

It should be also noted that Storm's powers taxed him unto death, while his shields held up to Cyclops, Colossus, Night Crawler and even Phoenix- possesed Jean.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Hal's shield >> Magnetos

Maybe......maybe not.

Let's see some scans.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Green%20Lantern/halshield.jpg

Yo.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm can work her powers THROUGH Magneto's forcefields.

But here we see Storm SLICING and ripping right through him to the BONE WITH HIS SHIELDS UP almost Killing him, all while HOLDING BACK.

http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=classicxmen01813mq3.jpg

Why would he drop his shields with Nightcrawler and Colossus directly behind him??

It should be also noted that Storm's powers taxed him unto death, while his shields held up to Cyclops, Colossus, Night Crawler and even Phoenix- possesed Jean.

U most not have realized that he was feeling the COLD ripping & slicing thru him, and not some decidedly more tangible object.......

IOW she didnt really get thru his shield, the way yur implying it.

and as for the matchup in this thread: 1) GL can block psionic atks (rarely used but have always been successfully done; Gardner was the most recent GL to have done so)

2) the Rings encase their bearer in an environmental field, so breathing and other life-function remain protected

3) if the GL really wanted to, they could simply take over Sue & Ororos mind (or even heir CLOTHING) and make them fight *each other* (yes, both have been done.)

so in short, a GL takes the majority here

Tazer

you said any greeen lantern ?

simple i decide to pick Mogo for this battle.
mogo is a planet i dont think susan storm could scrach him as i dont think she had that kind of strengh

i am not sure that storm could use her weather manipulation powers to effect mogo in any series way consdering mogo is able to adapt his own enviroment to suit anyone that is on his surface. thus he could easily manipulate his own weather and gravity against the offenders without even useing his green lantern powers if he so wished

Wow.

For one, guys, this isn't even a battle thread. Pr was doing some consulting for a tournament, I think that's what the battle of the sexes thing was, almost 3 years ago.

Second, what it was bumped with looks like some unadulterated trolling.

When's 2Damn gonna get banned anyhow?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Hals Shield would hold up to anything Storm can dish out.

It's not about that.

It's about manipulating the atmosphere INSIDE.

As I recall, his shield has faltered from a few punches from Supes.

Storm's winds can level mountains and Sue can crack Celecstial armor.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
It's not about that.

It's about manipulating the atmosphere INSIDE.

As I recall, his shield has faltered from a few punches from Supes.

Storm's winds can level mountains and Sue can crack Celecstial armor.

Originally posted by Tazer

U most not have realized that he was feeling the COLD ripping & slicing thru him, and not some decidedly more tangible object.......

Did I say anything different??

Originally posted by Tazer

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IOW she didnt really get thru his shield, the way yur implying it.

What exactly am I implying, specifically?

Originally posted by Tazer

[COLOR=green]and as for the matchup in this thread: 1) GL can block psionic atks (rarely used but have always been successfully done; Gardner was the most recent GL to have done so)

From a telepath or a weather manipulator with a vaguely defined psionic method of weather maipulation?

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

2) the Rings encase their bearer in an environmental field, so breathing and other life-function remain protected

Tazer

I wanna see this on a panel.

And protected from outside harsh conditons or protected from someone screwing with the enviroment inside the field?

Originally posted by Tazer

3) if the GL really wanted to, they could simply take over Sue & Ororos mind (or even heir CLOTHING) and make them fight *each other* (yes, both have been done.)

so in short, a GL takes the majority here

Tazer

And they would let this happen because.......?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Well if it about that why are you telling me what their powers are capable of in terms of strength? Like i said Hals shield with stands planet sized explosions. Planet >>>>>>>>mountains.

Because you showed a high end showing of an outside attack as if it were the average.

I just know that his shield has been broken by less.

It's not about an outside attack anyway, but Storm manipulating whatever enviroment that is inside his shield.

Can she do it?

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Because you showed a high end showing of an outside attack as if it were the average.

I just know that his shield has been broken by less.

It's not about an outside attack anyway, but Storm manipulating whatever enviroment that is inside his shield.

Can she do it?

Storm calls forth a cosmic tornado that wipes out the universe.

Originally posted by NiñoAraña
When's 2Damn gonna get banned anyhow?

Yo.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
It's not about that.

It's about manipulating the atmosphere INSIDE.

fine, but that hasnt been established as being possible on *her end* yet, and his personal shields arent likely to be affect by her anyways.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
As I recall, his shield has faltered from a few punches from Supes.

his big offensive ones sure, but this is different.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm's winds can level mountains and Sue can crack Celecstial armor.

when did Storm level a mountain by using winds alone??

and as for Sue that feat was only possible due to the nature of her power, rather than the STR of it.

Tazer

Yo.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Did I say anything different??

U saying "Storm can work her powers thru his shields", and then mentioning how they were "SLICING and ripping right through him to the BONE WITH HIS SHIELDS UP almost Killing him, all while HOLDING BACK.", comes off misleading since his shields are typically used to repel FORCE & negate taking dmg.

this is like saying he'll still get wet even tho he has his shields up......while taking a shower.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
What exactly am I implying, specifically?

that "Storm can work her powers THROUGH Magneto's forcefields."

Originally posted by 2damnloud
From a telepath or a weather manipulator with a vaguely defined psionic method of weather maipulation?

a telepath, and an Xavier-lvl telepath at that.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
I wanna see this on a panel.

And protected from outside harsh conditons or protected from someone screwing with the enviroment inside the field?

U can read almost any ish of GL to see that, but its a bit more explicit in GL v4 #13 (pg. 21 IIRC), as Guy is submitting himself for punishment to Salaak, who gives him "Prime duty".

amongst all of the "donts" hes given (like *sleeping*), he's also told: "your Ring will provide all the necessary nutrients and dispose of any waste you may export.", and THATS all while he's circling in close proximity to a red SUN.

and he had to do that for ONE MONTH. straight.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
And they would let this happen because.......?

how do U propose they could *stop* them?? while I'll grants ya seeing as how their abilities R both psionic, screwing w/their costumes would be a nuisance (and likely temporary) at best, but *neither* of them have the mental fortitude to fight off the will of a GL who's intent on taking over their mind.

I know Storm has gone thru training by Prof X to strengthen her mental defenses, but that *might* only slow a GL in the task; I seriously doubt it would prevent them.

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
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U saying "Storm can work her powers thru his shields", and then mentioning how they were "SLICING and ripping right through him to the BONE WITH HIS SHIELDS UP almost Killing him, all while HOLDING BACK.", comes off misleading since his shields are typically used to repel FORCE & negate taking dmg.

this is like saying he'll still get wet even tho he has his shields up......while taking a shower.

Typically does not equal always.

Her winds are a force. Wind-driven cold(Windchill).

Wind chill is the apparent temperature felt on exposed skin due to the combination of air temperature and wind speed. Except at higher temperatures, where wind chill is considered less important, the wind chill temperature (often popularly called the "wind chill factor"😉 is always lower than the air temperature. In cases where the apparent temperature is higher than the air temperature, the Heat index (HI) is used instead.

Point being, his shield did not curtail her affecting the atmosphere inside by her using a blizzard of undefined strength from the outside. Mind you, she was holding back.

Or perhaps his shield is useless against the nature of her powers.

that "Storm can work her powers THROUGH Magneto's forcefields."

And she did.

a telepath, and an Xavier-lvl telepath at that.

Not psionic weather manipulation.

Circumstantial evidence.

And protected from outside harsh conditons or protected from someone screwing with the enviroment inside the field?

U can read almost any ish of GL to see that, but its a bit more explicit in GL v4 #13 (pg. 21 IIRC), as Guy is submitting himself for punishment to Salaak, who gives him "Prime duty".

amongst all of the "donts" hes given (like *sleeping*), he's also told: "your Ring will provide all the necessary nutrients and dispose of any waste you may export.", and THATS all while he's circling in close proximity to a red SUN.

and he had to do that for ONE MONTH. straight.

How does this relate the Storm being able(or not being able) to create a storm in there?

She has taken over sentient elemental beings--Stardust (who's a Herald) and Hydroman.

do U propose they could *stop* them?? while I'll grants ya seeing as how their abilities R both psionic, screwing w/their costumes would be a nuisance (and likely temporary) at best, but *neither* of them have the mental fortitude to fight off the will of a GL who's intent on taking over their mind.

I know Storm has gone thru training by Prof X to strengthen her mental defenses, but that *might* only slow a GL in the task; I seriously doubt it would prevent them.

Tazer

😂

Her mind and spirit are are strong enough to hand an Abstarct beings essence.

A few times Xavier couldn't even get in if she didn't want.

You underrate her.

Actually why shouldn't Storm's powers work through a shield? If she can control the weather outside when she's inside how is it really different from controlling the weather inside a shield?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Actually why shouldn't Storm's powers work through a shield? If she can control the weather outside when she's inside how is it really different from controlling the weather inside a shield?

Cuuuuuuuz, GL shields block psioncs........from TELEPATHS and Sue's shield does the same, given she, ya know, "adjust it". 😱

It's long been established that Storm is a Telepath of sorts and she psionically communicates with the weatherman(the sentient being that really controls the weather), so therfore GL can block her.

This also illustrates how she doesn't have direct control over the forces of nature because it's really the weatheman doing all the work.

🙄

Yo.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Typically does not equal always.

no, but it does mean more often than not, or greater than 50% of a chance.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Her winds are a force. Wind-driven cold(Windchill)

but we didnt see him pushed bacy by those winds, we just saw him reacting to the cold; the fact that 1 of the panels talk about "a lesser man wouldve been battered unconscious in seconds" or somesuch tells us that he weathered part of it via shield fine, but since that move had a dual-element to it THATS wat got him.

and again, thats not going to do a lick to a GL, whose shields have withstood freezing temps of the void of deep space and worse.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Point being, his shield did not curtail her affecting the atmosphere inside by her using a blizzard of undefined strength from the outside. Mind you, she was holding back.

Or perhaps his shield is useless against the nature of her powers.

EXACTLY. I bet he could prolly withstand an l-bolt flung at him, but that change in temperature isnt something his shields R designed to handle.

if she had called down a rainstorm, Mags *wouldve* gotten wet, if U catch my drift?

Originally posted by 2damnloud
And she did.

not entirely.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Not psionic weather manipulation.

Circumstantial evidence.

but I didnt claim they would block that; I *specified* wat I was talking about.

and wat do U mean circumstancial evidence??

Originally posted by 2damnloud
How does this relate the Storm being able(or not being able) to create a storm in there?

the only was Storm is gonna affect a GL is if his field is down; if that field is up her cold, wind, nor ever her lightning -effects is gonna to squat to them since GL-fields have weathered them ALL and come thru w/no prob.

they can handle a sun-dive, they can handle anything *shes* got.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
She has taken over sentient elemental beings--Stardust (who's a Herald) and Hydroman.

U mean shes used them for a weather effect?? no THAT sounds funny.....

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Her mind and spirit are are strong enough to hand an Abstarct beings essence.

A few times Xavier couldn't even get in if she didn't want.

You underrate her.

maybe so, but I know I wouldnt bet money on her mind resisting a GL mind-probe.

Tazer