I don't see how that line of reasoning is a descension, Alpha. If it was his life or Hulk's life, it's feasible. Hulk would crush Nightcrawler with one blow if he landed it. Kurt would have to resort to lethal force in self defense in order to stop a raging Hulk.
Just because Hulk's physically superior doesn't mean a lesser being with a tactical advantage can't beat him. Like if Hulk was fighting a one legged amputee mutant with cancer whose powers just so happened to be the ability to control gravitational fields or teleport himself and objects through thought.
On another note; Magneto was an X man at one point. Is he in consideration for this thread?
Originally posted by illadelph12
I don't see how that line of reasoning is a descension, Alpha. If it was his life or Hulk's life, it's feasible. Hulk would crush Nightcrawler with one blow if he landed it. Kurt would have to resort to lethal force in self defense in order to stop a raging Hulk.Just because Hulk's physically superior doesn't mean a lesser being with a tactical advantage can't beat him. Like if Hulk was fighting a one legged amputee mutant with cancer whose powers just so happened to be the ability to control gravitational fields or teleport himself and objects through thought.
On another note; Magneto was an X man at one point. Is he in consideration for this thread?
Why are you getting into discussion about Nightcrawler Vs Hulk? Just why?
ANYWAY, back on Earth...Hulk Vs any single X-Man.
I stand by Phoenix at Max and Nate Grey. About it.
-AC
"Why are you getting into discussion about Nightcrawler Vs Hulk? Just why?
ANYWAY, back on Earth...Hulk Vs any single X-Man.
I stand by Phoenix at Max and Nate Grey. About it."
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Don't forget to add Nightcrawler and Magneto to that list... 😆
Just because Nightcrawler is an admittedly weak character physically doesn't mean that his abilities can't defeat Hulk. All it would take is Kurt to either teleport Hulk's head or limbs away, or to teleport Hulk into a solid object so his rematerialization would be lethal. It's a logical possibility. Maybe not popular, but it is logical.
My list consist of those two because contrary to popular believe, the rest of the X-Men aren't actually up to the task of beating The Hulk, much less on their own.
As regards Nightcrawler, yes, yes it does.
You obviously make the mistake of looking at his abilities and what MIGHT, in a stretch, be able to be done with them, then assume Nightcrawler can do the same.
It's not logical to sit there and claim that Nightcrawler could be The Hulk.
-AC
Why not? Isn't this a battle forum? Isn't that an avenue of attack for Nightcrawler? It's in the same vein as Flash being able to snap the necks of about 50+ super heroes in a nanosecond or deliver 1,000,000 'infinite mass' punches based on his abilities. Why is Nightcrawler excluded from the same line of reasoning? Is it because he's goofy looking and has a German accent?
She has a max capacity. The only thing she's gonna get off Hulk (provided she A. Survives and B. Can control the 8 plus MP's in his mind) is gamma enhancement. She'll be nothing more than a flying She-Hulk.
This is all assuming she can grab onto the Hulk.
Can't actually believe the level of X-Men shuntage on this forum. Is sickening.
-AC
Others who can take the green one :
Wolverine: can sneak up behind him, and stab him in the brains, that will do major damage (ask Sabretooth). Hulk isn’t invulnerable and Wolverine can cut him.
Rogue: some people don't like the fact that she is a (moderate) powerhouse who really can steal Hulks powers really fast, but facts remain facts.
Magneto (was once leader of the X-Men) : can take him out too, though in the Hulk vs Magneto thread, I always voted for Hulk. But it is still a possibility.
Xavier: I think this needs no explaining.
I'm the first to admit that, especially with the first three, the writer will have to use some imagination lol, but then again, it's not like all Hulk-victories are the best written masterpieces ever.
"Place the Yankees in their prime against a crap team.
You could sit there and run through all the ways that the crap team could theoretically win, but in actuality, we know they aren't going to.
Guess what that also applies to?"
That's a flawed metaphor.
This isn't a the Yankees vs. the Brewers, this is the Yankees Vs. the Brewers that just so happen to have Barry Bonds with his best batch of steroids batting clean up.
Kurt has an ace in the hole.
Nightcrawler is no match for Hulk in a purely physical confrontation, but his ability to teleport gives him an avenue of attack not afforded to him through purely physical means. He can teleport Hulk so that his head materializes into solid objects, teleport Hulk into the path of oncoming trains/vehicles/jet turbines, remove his limbs or head through teleportation. He simply can't slug it out with the Hulk.
Wolverine: Couldn't beat him with Apocalypse augmentation, couldn't beat him without.
Rogue: Probably wouldn't get close enough to drain him. Even if she did she probably wouldn't survive. In the unlikely event she does, she has to grab him and hold on. She has a max capacity and even so, Hulk will have compensated by the time she can do anything. One thunderclap and she's out of the game. I've dealt with this before.
Magneto: Never denied possibility but I think Hulk would win more fights out of 10.
Xavier: A cripple with mind powers. Can he deal with Hulk's 8 plus MP's while surviving? I don't think so.
Ill: .........That's nice and everything. Once again proving that ANY battle involving the X-Men has to go into severe theoretical eventuality, but Nightcrawler just isn't beating The Hulk. Sorry, it's a given.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Two of those I agree with.Magneto? Is the thread title not specifying X-Men?
Rogue, been there, whooped that. Nightcrawler, haha.
EDIT: I see what you meant Link, but that's The Silver Surfer. Unless it's actually got to the point where we're assuming the X-Men have people of that level.
-AC
The thread title says anyone who has ever been an X-Man, that includes Magneto.
You laugh at nightcrawler, but I don't hear any explanation from you as to why his power wouldn't work on hulk.
As for Rogue, she could knock him out. There's already a thread for this one so I won't get into it here.
Rogue wouldn't knock him out. The reason you believe she could is because you also believe she can fly up to the Hulk during the fight and grab him long enough that he'll revert to Banner and pass out. Sorry, it's not gonna happen and I (among many others) have proven and shown why not. It's ridiculous.
Why does "Nightcrawler Vs Hulk: Hulk wins" need an explanation? It doesn't because you know why I'm saying it. Nobody can seriously say "Nightcrawler wins" without going into some vast theory which isn't gonna happen coz it doesn't happen. If half of the X-Men did what you all claim they can/would/might be able to do, they'd be the best team in Marvel history, not the 4th best or below.
-AC