Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wolverine: Couldn't beat him with Apocalypse augmentation, couldn't beat him without.
Magneto: Never denied possibility but I think Hulk would win more fights out of 10.
Xavier: A cripple with mind powers.
"Why does "Nightcrawler Vs Hulk: Hulk wins" need an explanation? It doesn't because you know why I'm saying it. Nobody can seriously say "Nightcrawler wins" without going into some vast theory which isn't gonna happen coz it doesn't happen. If half of the X-Men did what you all claim they can/would/might be able to do, they'd be the best team in Marvel history, not the 4th best or below."
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Why does it need an explanation?
Simple.
This is the battle forum, this is not a comic book or popularity contest.
Here, the possibility of Nightcrawler beating Hulk is a possibility if presented correctly and logically. I've presented many logical points as to how Nightcrawler could attack and defeat Hulk, all you've presented is the following retort (paraphrasing, of course):
"You're crazy, this is the Hulk we're talking about. Nightcrawler?? Get da f*ck out of here".
It's perfectly logical:
Hulk has to land an attack to win. Kurt can teleport himself and objects instantly, allowing himself to evade and attack Hulk. He can't punch Hulk out, but he does have an avenue of attack to subdue and kill Hulk, though you can't see it because 'Hulk is Hulk' and 'Nightcrawler is Nightcrawler'. Hulk being Hulk doesn't guarantee victory. Your going by who Hulk is rather than what the opponent presents in a battle. Even an underdog can pull out a victory if they use their ability properly.
It's not "X-Men felching", it's logical deduction.
Given all the variables, Nightcrawler could pull it off with a high rate of probability considering Nightcrawler's powers allow him to out maneuver Hulk, simply not physically overpower Hulk. That wouldn't be necessary considering what Kurt could do to him.
Like I said, it may not be a popular outcome, but if you really think about it, it is extremely feasible.
Wow, so Nightcrawler could beat Hulk? Didn't think I'd see that when I opened this thread.
Give me an issue where NC teleports a limb off someone's body and then I'll agree with you. Just because it seems like they could do it doesn't mean they can.
Jean with Pheonix Force and Nate Grey could do it. To my knowledge Xavier wouldn't be able to "shut him down" and he doesn't have any other weapons. And Rogue? The draining isn't instantaneous and Hulk wouldn't stand around while she did it. And he's at least twice as strong as her, so that's that.
Wolverine? Um, no. Again, Logan's healing isn't instant and Hulk's a fast dude. A punch or two and Wolvie's in trouble.
I'll agree with AC on this one. Jean and Nate. That's it.
-DM
...little addition to my post. Nightcrawler couldn't knock Hulk out with 1000 of his punches. He's not strong...maybe benches 500 pounds at best (but imo that's being generous). Hulk could flail around and eventually land something. NC's screwed.
And Storm? A Nuke wouldn't stop Hulk...so a few lightning bolts will just piss him off. Too much raw power.
Magneto? Never really considered him an X-Man, even though he was briefly on the team. I'd say yes to him beating Hulk, but wouldn't really consider him to be part of the "Hulk v Any 1 X-Man" thread.
-DM
I agree with DigiMark, even tho i love the x-men especially wolv theres no way anybody but phoenix force and maybe Magneto are taking the engine of destruction down... Nightcrawler cannot teleport with someones bodypart especially not the Hulks, and even if he does The Hulk will just grow a new one... Not to familiar with nate Gray can someone explain his powers and who is to me?
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Give me an issue where NC teleports a limb off someone's body and then I'll agree with you. Just because it seems like they could do it doesn't mean they can.
Originally posted by sbo
There's no need for anyone to make up any extraordinary circumstances for Rogue, NC, or others to beat Hulk. Their powers would work on him as they have on others.You would have to give come up with your own "vast theories" as to why their powers wouldn't work. So far you've failed to do even that.
I don't need to come up with vast theories. I'm not even saying their powers wouldn't work. That's lesson one.
Lesson 2, Hulk's powers work on the X-Men also. I've gave Rogue too much credit in the OTHER thread and the conclusion of many was still the same. Rogue loses. One thunderclap is all it takes and that's distance fighting.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Why does it need an explanation?Simple.
This is the battle forum, this is not a comic book or popularity contest.
Here, the possibility of Nightcrawler beating Hulk is a possibility if presented correctly and logically. I've presented many logical points as to how Nightcrawler could attack and defeat Hulk, all you've presented is the following retort (paraphrasing, of course):
"You're crazy, this is the Hulk we're talking about. Nightcrawler?? Get da f*ck out of here".
You've suggested that Nightcrawler can/could use teleportation, right? If he could/would use his powers that way, he'd be more highly ranked than he is. Unless you completely missed the forum title, "Comic book Versus forum", I will mention to you that yes, things here are based on the characters in the comic books. Nightcrawler can (and probably would) do every teleportation trick in the book. Fact of the matter is, it's not going to earn him a victory over The Hulk. If you truly believe that, then rock on. I don't, I laugh at it because TO ME (pardon my rational thought), it's ridiculous. Nightcrawler Vs Hulk.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Hulk has to land an attack to win. Kurt can teleport himself and objects instantly, allowing himself to evade and attack Hulk. He can't punch Hulk out, but he does have an avenue of attack to subdue and kill Hulk, though you can't see it because 'Hulk is Hulk' and 'Nightcrawler is Nightcrawler'. Hulk being Hulk doesn't guarantee victory. Your going by who Hulk is rather than what the opponent presents in a battle. Even an underdog can pull out a victory if they use their ability properly.
Let's just overlook this post. "Hulk has to land an attack to win", literally. AN attack. A punch.
Kurt could attack Hulk? I can attack a tank. I doubt Nightcrawler's...erm....anything, is gonna do anything of interest to a man who takes M1 Tank shells to the chest. I dunno though, that's just me.
I'm sorry...I have a question, did you just tell ME what I'M going by? Hahaha I appreciate that and all, but it's not really needed. Whilst I COULD go by "Hulk is Hulk", I'm not. I'm going by this:
Hulk: Healing, Agility, strength, durability, speed, regeneration (there goes his little limb removing technique)...most of which are unparalleled in the MU.
VS Nightcrawler: Teleports...erm.....speed and agility. Regardless of what he could do (in your eyes) with his powers, he cannot overcome the Hulk.
Originally posted by illadelph12
It's not "X-Men felching", it's logical deduction.Given all the variables, Nightcrawler could pull it off with a high rate of probability considering Nightcrawler's powers allow him to out maneuver Hulk, simply not physically overpower Hulk. That wouldn't be necessary considering what Kurt could do to him.
Like I said, it may not be a popular outcome, but if you really think about it, it is extremely feasible.
Yes it is, there is a clear trend on this forum as of late. A trend of "Let's put the X-Men against people we don't like/think are overrated and just come up with extreme theoreticals in which they COULD win, but we know they won't. Just for the sake of it". Which is rather silly. I don't like Superman Prime, but I won't sit here creating a Hulk Vs Superman Prime thread because it aint happening.
You keep saying "What Kurt could do to him". It's not though is it? Coz if Kurt could do this he wouldn't be a lower league X-Man. What is so hard to grasp? It's what YOU THINK Kurt could do based one an theoretical, as with all X-Men battles.
Originally posted by who?-kid
Don't care, the fact remains he can sneak up and cut him in the brain.
Didn't deny this. Stabbing Sabretooth in the brain isn't the same as stabbing the Hulk in the brain. A man who has had his flesh burnt off, a hole put in him by an Earth piercing ray gun and laughed it off, not to mention the fact that he's been shot in the head (as Banner) and survived. Wolverine cannot beat him.
Originally posted by who?-kid
A cripple with mind powers ? And dr. Strange is just a David Copperfield clone I suppose.
Pretty poor comparison. Xavier is a cripple, he has mind powers, no? Beyond his mind, he is nothing. Xavier can't control all of Hulk's mind, not at once. Therefore, Hulk is still gonna have any three conscious sections awake to go after him, push him over, stomp on him, he's dead.
I'll say it again, underdog voting for the sake of it aside, there are but two X-Men who could take the Hulk. Phoenix at max power and Nate Grey. Why? Because they are actually as powerful as people say they are.
Nightcrawler isn't, Rogue isn't, Storm isn't, Xavier isn't.
-AC
Hulk isn't going to be "just fine" while his mind is being raped by Professor X.
Hulk isn't taking Prof. X. It's not about "mind control"....it's about a full on assault.
What happened in Hulk 403 was a result of "mind control"...no one knows what a full blown attack would do to Hulk's mind. Atleast not one from the "world's strongest telepath"
Uncanny X-men #192 - Colossus, Rogue, and Nightcrawler are attacked by Magus. Nightcrawler teleports a portion of Magus' body away and severely injures him. Magus retreats.
Uncanny X-Men #194 - Nimrod attacks Shadowcat, Colossus, Juggernaut, Rogue and Nightcrawler. He subdues Juggernaut. Nightcrawler attempts the body part removal attack on Nimrod, but Nimrod has prior of this ability (Nimrod being from the future and having a database of mutant abilities knows of this power), counters Nightcrawler in the attempt, then incapacitates him. Rogue then borrows Kurt and Piotr's powers and removes Nimrod's arm severely damaging him. Nimrod retreats.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Pretty poor comparison. Xavier is a cripple, he has mind powers, no? Beyond his mind, he is nothing. Xavier can't control all of Hulk's mind, not at once. Therefore, Hulk is still gonna have any three conscious sections awake to go after him, push him over, stomp on him, he's dead.
-AC
The only reason people are underestimating Xavier, is because he isn't showoff, he doesn't use his raw telepathic power that much. But he can do with Hulks mind whatever he feels like.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Uncanny X-men #192 - Colossus, Rogue, and Nightcrawler are attacked by Magus. Nightcrawler teleports a portion of Magus' body away and severely injures him. Magus retreats.
I have this comic, I was aware of the TWO times Nightcrawler has done it. Can you say crap? Teleports a portion of the MAGUS'S body away and he then retreats? Come on now.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Uncanny X-Men #194 - Nimrod attacks Shadowcat, Colossus, Juggernaut, Rogue and Nightcrawler. He subdues Juggernaut. Nightcrawler attempts the body part removal attack on Nimrod, but Nimrod has prior of this ability (Nimrod being from the future and having a database of mutant abilities knows of this power), counters Nightcrawler in the attempt, then incapacitates him. Rogue then borrows Kurt and Piotr's powers and removes Nimrod's arm severely damaging him. Nimrod retreats.
Exactly, he counters Nightcrawler in the attempt. Hulk's fist is a pretty good counter and pretty good at incapacitating.
Rogue couldn't do it unless she had borrowed the powers, you'll remember that.
You're only proving my point with those two posts.
-AC