Muslims demand papal apology for crusades

Started by lil bitchiness3 pages

Muslims demand papal apology for crusades

A friend of mine sent me this today - I thought it was interesting.

Posted: March 19, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

The world's highest Sunni Muslim authority has demanded an official apology from the pope for the medieval Christian crusades.

Sheikh Fawzi Zafzaf, president of the Interfaith Dialogue Committee of Al-Azhar University in Cairo, said his panel sent the request to the Vatican in February, the Morocco Times reported.

The demand arose from Pope John Paul II's apologies to the Jewish people and his visits to Syria and Egypt a few years ago, Zafzaf said.

Al-Azhar is only asking for a similar treatment, he stated.

The Morocco paper said the Vatican's ambassador to Egypt has declined to comment, saying Al-Azhar's request is being considered by the Holy See.

While many Christians have expressed remorse for the crusades, some scholars insist the common characterization of zealous imperialists attacking peaceful Muslims is wrong.

Thomas F. Madden, author of "A Concise History of the Crusades," contends the Crusades "were in every way a defensive war."

"They were the West's belated response to the Muslim conquest of fully two-thirds of the Christian world," he wrote in a National Review column. "While the Arabs were busy in the seventh through the tenth centuries winning an opulent and sophisticated empire, Europe was defending itself against outside invaders and then digging out from the mess they left behind. Only in the eleventh century were Europeans able to take much notice of the East. "

Madden said the event that led to the crusades was the Turkish conquest of most of Christian Asia Minor, modern Turkey.

"The Christian emperor in Constantinople, faced with the loss of half of his empire, appealed for help to the rude but energetic Europeans. He got it. More than he wanted, in fact," wrote Madden, associate professor and chair of the Department of History at Saint Louis University.

Over the past several years, pronouncements from Al-Azhar have sparked controversy.

In 2003, Al-Azhar's grand sheikh, Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, stated suicide bombers are considered "martyrs" under Islamic law.

In December 2002, the Islamic Ruling Committee in Al-Azhar declared the acquisition of nuclear weapons to be a religious obligation for Islamic states.

A member of panel, Sheikh Ala A-Shanawi, said, "The Islamic nation has to recognize the enemy, and to prepare itself accordingly."

Answering a question he received, A-Shanawi wrote, "Allah's messenger [Muhammad] would have prepared himself with all the resources possible in order to deal with the enemy. Therefore, if the Islamic nation is not equipped with the desired weaponry needed, it will be forced to suffer the consequences, and will be blamed for negligence."

The sheikh continued, "All Islamic nations are required to seize nuclear weaponry, giving the nation the utmost respect. We see how far behind our nation is as a result of not being prepared as well as it should be, while the enemy has equipped itself with the best weaponry there is, which it will use to harm and destroy Muslims."

Source: http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43372

Thoughts?

Thoughts:

What a load of crap. I DEMAND AN APOLOGY FOR THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE!

I moved this to general discussion, I think its suited there better.

Also, before this thread sets off, can we please be civil about it - I dont want to be closing this.

^ OK, I'll be civil.

I think that this is an inappropriate and pointless request--why should the Catholic church apologize? It would be like me asking Turkey to apologize for the Armenian Genocide, which just wouldn't happen.

Well, my first reaction was that they should apologize, but as a good friend pointed out.. if this country apologizes for this war and so on, where does it end? Cant we just put the past behind us & move on?

Originally posted by FeceMan
^ OK, I'll be civil.

I think that this is an inappropriate and pointless request--why should the Catholic church apologize? It would be like me asking Turkey to apologize for the Armenian Genocide, which just wouldn't happen.

Nice 🙂

And I agree. If Pope is to apologize for crusades, I think the Europe should get an appology for Ottoman empire also, no?

If both parties apologize it might be going somewhere, but I certanly dont believe just Pope should do so.

This is stupid.

I thought the Pope already apologized some time ago

apologize for something that happened sooo long ago? 😖

Apologize for constantinople. If I was the pope I would spit in the face of any muslim that asked for an apology.

His apology to the Jewish people was totally understandable and appropriate seeing as he was studying theology in Poland during the Nazi occupation and seen the the atrocities first hand as the Vatican at the time sat back and did nothing.

he doesn't need to make a apology for something he has no first hand knowledge of any more than I need to apologise to any African American for slavery.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Thoughts:

What a load of crap. I DEMAND AN APOLOGY FOR THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE!

im armenian 😄

❌ damn genocide ❌

Originally posted by FeceMan
^ OK, I'll be civil.

I think that this is an inappropriate and pointless request--why should the Catholic church apologize? It would be like me asking Turkey to apologize for the Armenian Genocide, which just wouldn't happen.

😆 that will never happen.

Apologizing for slavery doent bother me so much as the litigation for compensation over it. And I wouldnt have much of a problem with that either were it not so ripe for fraudulent claims....

Originally posted by KidRock
Apologize for constantinople. If I was the pope I would spit in the face of any muslim that asked for an apology.
I dont think that the pope even has enough strenght to even move his lips.

Originally posted by SlipknoT
I dont think that the pope even has enough strenght to even move his lips.

It was a figure of speech, if the pope is asked for an apology he should just insult the person who asked for it.

How about an appology about the Jihad into Spain also! And an appology to the Jews on both sides for smashing Isreal into dust over the past three thousand years hysterical

Three thousand years?!

Islam wasnt around that long....

Thoughts - Get over it.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
A friend of mine sent me this today - I thought it was interesting.

Thoughts?

thoughts, 🙄 I mean would it really change anything?? get over it that was centuries ago