Champion of the Universe VS Superman

Originally posted by Draco69
Dude, I have TOHOTMU Women of Marvel 2005 in my hand right now. It includes Moondragon. She no longer possesses neither the Dragon of the Moon nor the Mindgem. The team disbanded. As of now she "resumed her travels alongside her new love interest Phyla, Genis's sister" Stop exaggerating her abilities.

Both Superman and Hulk are capable of winning.

Superman has launched several superspeed attacks. Against Zod, against Ultraman, against Doomsday, he used it relentlessy against some predator wannabe in the recent Jim Lee series. DC has finally captatlized on his superspeed. The fork GLOWS. A quick microscan would tell Superman that the fork may be something to look at.

I meant the Quantam Bands. Sorry. Too many bands in the Marvel Universe. Quasar cannot fly at lightspeed on Earth. The Quantum Bands restrict such actions. (OHBOTHMU Avengers: 2005) Space however is not a problem. Quasar doesn't zip around at lightspeed all the time. If he could then he wouldn't have gotten tagged by Kree laser in the Disassembled event.

Hulk and Quasar can beat Superman. Moondragon and Blackbolt are out of the question.

Microscan?! When has he ever performed one? Even if he can do such, why would he pay the fork any attention? It doesn't glow continuously, and he cannot think that fast, either. He's not Flash. He won't realize what the fork is. Not before BB whispers his way, spattering him.

Moondragon no longer possess the gem. Granted. She still has the Dragon of the Moon, and she can join the Uni-mind. She will defeat Superman.

The Quantum bands allow him to fly at greater than light speeds in space, and light speed on earth. When does Quasar get hit by a Kree laser? Besides, even if he was, it speaks nothing of his speed. I remember The Flash getting shot by Deathstroke.

Even mongul can kick his ass and almost killed in warworld. Sumperman 1986 issue 32 which I have.

Originally posted by the Darkone
I like superman, but you dc guys act like he is god and nobody can kick his a$$, I mean damn captain marvel beat the crap out of him. Even MM can kick his a$$ with out the mental powers, Dc encyclopedia states that MM have powers exceeds superman powers.

Well yeah, Captain Marvel and MM are at least good matches for him, but they're pretty tall orders themselves. Losing to one of them is not really something to bring a guy down a peg or two.

Alot of DC guys are more than willing to admit when he's outmatched, but occasionally there are circumstances which require further debate.

Originally posted by kgkg
well for superman to win is not imposible.

and when does BB start screaming in fights before it even starts???

Since when does Superman speedblitz his opponents at the start of a battle?

This is bloodlust. BB will destroy him.

superman has too many powers it seem the writers don't use half of it in battle senerio.

how Sad

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Moondragon has never lost the Dragon of the Moon, or the Infinity Mind gem. As I have said, she's far more powerful than MM. She has a teletinetic force field to buffer his attacks, and she can definitely take down Superman before he reacts.

I have read several recent JLA and Superman comics. I have yet to see him speedblitz. If he could, he would have speedblitzed the Crime Syndicate, instead of getting KOed.

BB's voice is not a vibrational attack. It's a destructive electron stream. He doesn't need to scream. A whisper is enough to take out Superman.

For the love god, Cosmic Cube. I have the bio of MoonDragon right here in my face. You're either misinformed or lying.

Thano's assaults on Titan drove MoonDragon to Earth where she allied herself with various heroes and joined the Avenger. Her questionable ethics and massive ego gradually estranged her from most of her peers. This culiminated in MoonDragon telepatchically forcing the Avengers to aid her in her "benevolent" conquest of the war-torn Ba-Benis, but the Avengers ultimately subdued her and turned her over to the Asgardian gods. They placed her in custody of the Defenders, who helped her truly reform until the Dragon of the Moon, a cosmic demon that she destroyed but survived inside her; boilstering and feeding her upon the darker aspects of her personality, turned her against them, resulting in the destruction of both Heather and the Dragon. (i.e. They killed her) MoonDragon was resurrected by the Eternals and her cousin, Pam Douglas, who developed powers of her own and became Sundragon. FREE FROM THE DRAGON'S INFLUENCE, Heather remains arrogant and self-righteous, but genuinely regrets her past misdeeds and wishes to be a force of good for good in the universe.

Moondragon became a mentor for Wildcat, a benefactor to Jack of Hearts and a would be lover of Quasar (who did not share her feelings), though her machinations have estranged all of them to some extent. FOR A TIME, Heather wielded the cosmic Mind Gem as a member of Adam Warlock's Infinity Watch; the Watch soon BROKE UP, RELQUISHING their Infinity Gems to Adam Warlock. A friend and admirer of the late Captain Marvel (Mar-vell), MoonDragon acted as an ally and advisor to his son, Genis, the new Captain Marvel. This led to a brief romance with Marlo, wife of Genis' partner, Rick Jones; but the Joneses soon reconciled, and Moondragon resumed her travels alongside a new love interest Phyla, Genis' sister.

Moon Dragon does not possess TK. She has " telepathy, mind control, personality altercation, memory modification, illusion casting, levitation and force blasts. Which means I won the previous thread "Past Avengers vs. Past JLA"

This is the end all bio of Moondragon. Stop overrating her.

ok if it is bloodlust then superman get's the f@ck out of there and starts throwing huge mountain bolders at him at super speed.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Since when does Superman speedblitz his opponents at the start of a battle?

This is bloodlust. BB will destroy him.

Zod, Fernus, Vera Black, Coldcast, Major Disaster, Doomsday, the Lizard, etc.

If its bloodlust, then Superman definitely wins.

Superman can get his ass kick like everybody else in dc and marvel and then some. He can't beat MM,Maestro(hulk),Takion,magog,silver surfer hell he lost to booster gold, boster gold that punk a$$ my grandmoma would kick his a$$ and she is dead. I like superman and dc and marvel but you dc guys are so biasis at times it isn't even funny.

even if he doesn't win the first.

here is what will happend superman will loose his first battle.
sence he doesn't know shit about BB and one WHAAAAAA and sups is K.Oed

but if they were to fight like 10 times

1 will go to blackblot , then the other 9 to sups in blood lust

he will stay far away throwing shit at him no way his dodging shit when sups is moving fast and throwing shit at him.

but it's wise for sups to stay as far as posible use his vision , speed , power that should be enough

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Microscan?! When has he ever performed one? Even if he can do such, why would he pay the fork any attention? It doesn't glow continuously, and he cannot think that fast, either. He's not Flash. He won't realize what the fork is. Not before BB whispers his way, spattering him.

Moondragon no longer possess the gem. Granted. She still has the Dragon of the Moon, and she can join the Uni-mind. She will defeat Superman.

The Quantum bands allow him to fly at greater than light speeds in space, and light speed on earth. When does Quasar get hit by a Kree laser? Besides, even if he was, it speaks nothing of his speed. I remember The Flash getting shot by Deathstroke.

You seriously don't think Superman has ever micro scanned something? He microscanned the Lizard. The fork can be x-rayed, microscanned and deduced. His brain operates like a supercomputer. Not as fast as the Flash. But certainly fast enough.

I already responded to your bogus statements on Moondragon. She was rejected by the Eternals due to her crimes. She can no longer access the Uni-Mind. She will not defeat Superman. Ever.

Quasar got shot by a laser beam during the Disassembled event. He also couldn't catch up with the escaping starships. He said "they're going to fast!" Please.

That was Kid Flash. When he was paralazed.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Superman can get his ass kick like everybody else in dc and marvel and then some. He can't beat MM,Maestro(hulk),Takion,magog,silver surfer hell he lost to booster gold, boster gold that punk a$$ my grandmoma would kick his a$$ and she is dead. I like superman and dc and marvel but you dc guys are so biasis at times it isn't even funny.

Biased. You're the most biased son of gun in this forum. Not even wolverine8888 comes close to you. Your posts and threads are all the evidence we need.

When did speed really aid him in battle. verses Doomsday died. verse KC shazam kicked his a$$. Booster gold sad. batman DK returns II. Speed is overrated in battle.

Doomsday possessed superspeed as well. He and Superman were battling at superspeed in the sky. Doomsday is an extremely comptent foe.

Shazam is near Superman's level. KC didn't kick his ass. Superman held back and tried to reason with his former friend. Until Superman got angry and cover his jaw.

Batman can beat anyone with preptime. He had the Flash and the rest of the JLA helping him.

Speed is everything in battle.

darkone your rite but in forum we use thire power to the max , and no boy scoot shit either.

so this is hardcore kill or get killed bloodlust mode.

in comic superman is never shown using all his power in battle if he were he whould be pretty much unbeatable.

booster gold kick his a$$, Mongul nearly killed him, MM will mop the floor with a$$. KC shazam a$$ kicked. I mean come on superman is good but damn he not unstoppable it has been proven ask booster gold and the demon. Hell I can admit that hte hulk or wonder woman hal jordan that they can lose a battle but damn when it comes to superman he is untochable like noby can beat him give me a break. Prime example crisi on infintie earth he got ko supergirl was hanging with the anti-montior where is superman laid the f**k out.

All battles are bloodlust. Read the forum rules.

Black Bolt won't be knocked out by one punch. He has Superhuman endurance. As I said, one yelp, and Superman's done.

Moondragon was not rejected by the Eternals, the Eternals raised her. She can certainly beat Superman, unless he's "immune to telepathy" too.

Please include the Issue Number of Avengers Disssembled in which this occurred.

Kid Flash was not paralyzed when he was shot.

Am not saying his unbeatable , but using all his power i don't see him losing to the likes of booster gold , shazam etc.

am just saying his not written to his full potential.

someone like thanos , surfer whould easily beat him but BB mebee once but after than supermans other power should get him wins.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Black Bolt won't be knocked out by one punch. He has Superhuman endurance. As I said, one yelp, and Superman's done.

for the first battle yes after that superman will attack from long distance

I can barely read your post. Punctuation is nonexistent. I'm not saying Superman is invincible. He has been beaten and can be beaten.

Booster Gold had help.

Mongul got knocked out in one punch in the Superman/Batman series.

MM would most definitely win.

KC Shazam didn't win anything. Superman was holding back. Superman got angry and forced his hand around Shazam's mouth rendering him powerless. Superman would have won if he was forced to.

No idea what demon you're talking about.

The Anti-Monitor was Galactus level powerful. Of course Superman lost.